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 Post subject: Suggestions on my new Mossberg shockwave forend
PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 11:37 am 
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Good morning gentlemen.Just received my new little friend yesterday and was really wanting to somehow utilize my crimson Trace green laser light linq on a rail minus the grip wireless activation for my AR 15 obviously.
Any suggestions on a forend with rail, preferably bottom mount that will fit this 14 inch mossy? Thanks for any help




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 Post subject: Re: Suggestions on my new Mossberg shockwave forend
PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 5:05 pm 
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I wonder how the Shockwave or similar "other" would do with a SureFire DSF-500590
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No rail, however it does have a light & offers a positive hand stop.


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 Post subject: Re: Suggestions on my new Mossberg shockwave forend
PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 6:48 pm 
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I wonder how the Shockwave or similar "other" would do with a SureFire DSF-500590
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No rail, however it does have a light & offers a positive hand stop.


And will cost about as much as the gun that you mount it on.

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 Post subject: Re: Suggestions on my new Mossberg shockwave forend
PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 6:56 pm 
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CDM Gear makes various barrel clamps for accessories - might see if something they make will work for you.

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 Post subject: Re: Suggestions on my new Mossberg shockwave forend
PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 12:39 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Suggestions on my new Mossberg shockwave forend
PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 2:32 pm 
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candewman wrote:
We have one coming out in June.
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That is pretty close to optimal, IMO, given that it can double as a hand guard. I presume that the production version rail can be mounted either side or both sides...?


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 Post subject: Re: Suggestions on my new Mossberg shockwave forend
PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 3:02 pm 
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Yes, either side can be used, but there won't be a provision to mount 2 rails. A light, such as a TLR1, will mount just short of the end of the barrel. There are other items in the works for the Shockwave that will be following soon after.

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 Post subject: Re: Suggestions on my new Mossberg shockwave forend
PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 8:49 pm 
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62-10 wrote:
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That is pretty close to optimal, IMO, given that it can double as a hand guard. I presume that the production version rail can be mounted either side or both sides...?

Why is there some kind of "need" for a "handguard" on the shockwave?

Do you think you will slide your hand off fwd. racking it and blow a hole in your hand or do you somehow think that recoil will pull the gun backwards out of your hand, the barrel somehow driving downwards instead of upwards and blow a hole in your hand, all BEFORE the charge exists the barrel?

#2 will require several laws of physics to be violated.

#1 only requires someone too dumb to velcro their own shoes.

I can fully see how the Shockwave's "strap" that comes from the factory is likely needed (but not to keep you from blowing a hole in your hand) solely to maintain a grip.

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 Post subject: Re: Suggestions on my new Mossberg shockwave forend
PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 9:21 pm 
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That escalated quickly.

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 Post subject: Re: Suggestions on my new Mossberg shockwave forend
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I can see the need for the strap on a semi-auto when recoil may cause the shotgun to back out of your front hand where you might blow your fingers off with a quick second shot. But on a pump where you must preform a mechanical action with the front hand before firing the gun again it seems unnecessary. It is very unlikely that you would pump one into the chamber and fire without realizing that part of your hand still in in front of the muzzle. Still, Mossberg must conceder the lowest common denominator shooter and build guns that are safe for idiots to use. Nothing can be made totally fool proof as fools are so ingenious. They will find a way to hurt them selves and then sue for damages.

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 Post subject: Re: Suggestions on my new Mossberg shockwave forend
PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 6:44 am 
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candewman wrote:
That escalated quickly.

Incidentally, that's a nice looking piece of kit there candewman.

I don't want one, because I don't have or want a Shockwave (nor lights/lasers of either of my housebrooms), but credit given where due.


To be clear,,,,,,,,,,,,, I've seen the very "concern" that I addressed my question to ("blowing your hand off") in reference to the Shockwave, on other gun forums (algore's internet is a large place), particularly in ref. again to changing the factory 'strapped' fore-end grip, so rather obviously people other than I are of the poorly-thought-out belief that either (or both) of my 2 scenarios above is not only possible, but apparently 'likely' somehow.
I decided finally to ask someone about this 'belief', and it turned out to be 62-10.

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 Post subject: Re: Suggestions on my new Mossberg shockwave forend
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That's fine and thanks for the compliment. It's designed as a sling loop so if the OP feels it has additional uses so be it. By the way, I'm not a fan of the strap either and I've taken it off other Mossbergs.

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 Post subject: Re: Suggestions on my new Mossberg shockwave forend
PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 1:55 pm 
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You can get a OEM railed handguard that actually works pretty well; Mossberg started putting them on their new 7-shot 590a1 models. If you call them up, that would probably be the most straightforward way to get a railed forearm. It's pretty sturdy on my mariner.

Edit: I realized this might not work with the shockwave, which utilizes the shorter SBS forearm. Bummer.


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 Post subject: Re: Suggestions on my new Mossberg shockwave forend
PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:00 pm 
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OldStufferA5#1911 wrote:
62-10 wrote:
candewman wrote:
We have one coming out in June.
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That is pretty close to optimal, IMO, given that it can double as a hand guard. I presume that the production version rail can be mounted either side or both sides...?

Why is there some kind of "need" for a "handguard" on the shockwave?

Do you think you will slide your hand off fwd. racking it and blow a hole in your hand or do you somehow think that recoil will pull the gun backwards out of your hand, the barrel somehow driving downwards instead of upwards and blow a hole in your hand, all BEFORE the charge exists the barrel?



#2 will require several laws of physics to be violated.

#1 only requires someone too dumb to velcro their own shoes.

I can fully see how the Shockwave's "strap" that comes from the factory is likely needed (but not to keep you from blowing a hole in your hand) solely to maintain a grip.



This seems to be more of a rant than a question. SBO's (short barrel others) deserve respect, especially anytime one can reach beyond the muzzle with the forward hand. Same is true of non-NFA bullpups like the KSG; that said, I don't run a supplemental hand guard on my KSG.

I personally dislike the Mossberg OEM corncob "tactical" forearm, & despise the Mossberg OEM fore end strap. If I get a Shockwave or make my own it won't have either. For reasons beyond what I care to comment on now, I'm a big fan of supplemental hand guards forward of the fore end on a SB pump gun. And that CDM piece looks very nicely done.

So what is your recommendation for the OP? I mean other than implying that he's an idiot...


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 Post subject: Re: Suggestions on my new Mossberg shockwave forend
PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:02 pm 
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My question, I thought was rather obvious...... It was the first thing I typed, which you blew right past.

To quote myself:
Why is there some kind of "need" for a "handguard" on the shockwave?

The you quite clearly seemed to desire a "handguard" because you clearly stated "given that it can double as a hand guard."

A "hand guard", is an object that, by definition, "guards" or protects the hand from something. They come on swords (to protect the hand from an opponent's sword), knives (to protect the hand from sliding down the grip onto the edge), various power tools I have (to prevent hands from contacting cutting edges).
In this case,,, I asked.. "from what, exactly".

The remainder of my "rant" as you so put it, was to explain why I was asking what someone surely would think is a "dumb" question, because, as I said, on a couple other boards, people have specifically expressed "unease" I will say, with the Shockwave, specifically because of some concern of "blowing a hole in their hand", an act which, yes, IMO requires a particularly concerning level of stupid combined with deliberate effort.


If he wants a different Fore-End than the original, there must be 20 or more Mossy 500-series "tactical" fore-ends he can choose from, with no hate from me, whatever he wants.
Don't let me choose for him, he won't like what it will co$t$$$$$$$$.

Are you going to answer my question as to why you think he (or anyone else) needs a "handguard" on his Shockwave?

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 Post subject: Re: Suggestions on my new Mossberg shockwave forend
PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 1:17 pm 
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OldStufferA5#1911 wrote:
My question, I thought was rather obvious...... It was the first thing I typed, which you blew right past.

To quote myself:
Why is there some kind of "need" for a "handguard" on the shockwave?

The you quite clearly seemed to desire a "handguard" because you clearly stated "given that it can double as a hand guard."

A "hand guard", is an object that, by definition, "guards" or protects the hand from something. They come on swords (to protect the hand from an opponent's sword), knives (to protect the hand from sliding down the grip onto the edge), various power tools I have (to prevent hands from contacting cutting edges).
In this case,,, I asked.. "from what, exactly".

The remainder of my "rant" as you so put it, was to explain why I was asking what someone surely would think is a "dumb" question, because, as I said, on a couple other boards, people have specifically expressed "unease" I will say, with the Shockwave, specifically because of some concern of "blowing a hole in their hand", an act which, yes, IMO requires a particularly concerning level of stupid combined with deliberate effort.


If he wants a different Fore-End than the original, there must be 20 or more Mossy 500-series "tactical" fore-ends he can choose from, with no hate from me, whatever he wants.
Don't let me choose for him, he won't like what it will co$t$$$$$$$$.

Are you going to answer my question as to why you think he (or anyone else) needs a "handguard" on his Shockwave?


I consider it a "want", not a "need". Question answered.


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 Post subject: Re: Suggestions on my new Mossberg shockwave forend
PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:58 pm 
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62-10 wrote:
OldStufferA5#1911 wrote:

I personally dislike the Mossberg OEM corncob "tactical" forearm, & despise the Mossberg OEM fore end strap. If I get a Shockwave or make my own it won't have either.


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 Post subject: Re: Suggestions on my new Mossberg shockwave forend
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Ezra Smack wrote:
62-10 wrote:
I personally dislike the Mossberg OEM corncob "tactical" forearm, & despise the Mossberg OEM fore end strap. If I get a Shockwave or make my own it won't have either.


BE CAREFULL! You can not legally convert an existing shotgun.


Well, under current Fed law/reg, a SBO can't be made from any shotgun...fixed the quote also :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Suggestions on my new Mossberg shockwave forend
PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:47 am 
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OldStufferA5#1911 wrote:
... as I said, on a couple other boards, people have specifically expressed "unease" I will say, with the Shockwave, specifically because of some concern of "blowing a hole in their hand", an act which, yes, IMO requires a particularly concerning level of stupid combined with deliberate effort... Are you going to answer my question as to why you think he (or anyone else) needs a "handguard" on his Shockwave?

My FFL dealer ordered a 500 Cruiser JIC for me when they were introduced in 2008 and I went to range when I thought no one else would be around. The police were on their secluded adjacent range with automatics and unable to see me. I was practicing speed firing six shells and I was hitting my target at seven yards every time.

Early into this practice I lost control of the gun when I fired it and the forend flew up out of my hand to a 45 degree angle. No one saw this mistake and a little later about 8 or 10 officers were behind me watching the guy making all the noise with a shotgun. I was glad that they had not seen my mistake.

That convinced me to search eBay for a Mossberg forend strap and I put one on my JIC.

When the forend escaped my grip, I had to regain control of the gun. I grabbed for the forend and treated the recoil more responsibly thereafter. But I could imagine a new shotgunner grabbing the now unlocked forend and being alarmed and confused, both pulling it all the way back and it bouncing back into battery, now with a chambered shell. That new shotgunner would have tightly held the pistol grip as he tried to regain control of the forend, and suppose that he still had his finger in the trigger guard? That could be a messy time for the support hand to slip off the forend again, but now in front of the muzzle.

Is this likely? No. But a confused and alarmed mistake is not the same as a particularly concerning level of stupid combined with deliberate effort. Mossberg has no way of knowing if a Shockwave or a Cruiser AOW will always be handled responsibly, and IMO their short barrels justify the forend straps. That must be Mossberg's opinion also, because the JIC models have longer barrels and still no straps after nearly ten years.

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 Post subject: Re: Suggestions on my new Mossberg shockwave forend
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I think the fore-end strap is a good idea on them, to quote myself from Post #8:

I can fully see how the Shockwave's "strap" that comes from the factory is likely needed (but not to keep you from blowing a hole in your hand) solely to maintain a grip.


My question was specific,, as to what is so beneficial about the belief that candewman's Sling And Accessory Mount "given that it can double as a hand guard".

I even dropped the question of "why", because the cop-out card was played. "Because I want one, not need one".

Just about anything in the world is "possible".

The list of things that actually have any reasonable chance of happening is tremendously shorter.

Somehow you forsee some "new, panicked shooter" somehow stroking his Shockwave while, holding on tight enough to work the action yet sliding his hand off the fore-end and over the barrel somehow.

"New" people get in over their heads all the time (especially those with more money than brains), in all sorts of things, sometimes their "newness" gets them killed. Cars, boats, motorcycles, and guns.
Should I need special permission to buy a Bugatti Veyron?
Should I have needed special permission to buy my Ninja in 1990?
Should I have needed special permission to own my 650hp Jetboat?
Yet, at least for guns, we would all lose our collective minds if there was some kind of "testing" or "certification" required to get into the activity, or to 'upgrade' within the activity. Wouldn't we?

Some people learn the hard way and I lose no sleep over Darwin bleaching the Gene Pool.

I think someone blowing fingers off with a Hatcher is a lot greater chance than to a pump that is ONLY 4" shorter than "normal" for a compact shotgun.
But since those are an N.F.A.S.B.S..................................
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Besides, right there you've got an already live second barrel when that thing tries to get out of your hands from firing the first barrel, no action operation needed.

Maybe that should have a "handguard",,,,, seems useful there, to me anyhow.



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