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 Post subject: Re: The ultimate tactical shotgun?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:56 pm 
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Ho-hum. Another wannabe zombie weapon from a kid that needs a tour overseas.

In my state sticking a bayonet on the end of shotgun will get you to jail. No passing go.

Don't take that thang outside.

Or show it to anybody.




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 Post subject: Re: The ultimate tactical shotgun?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:14 pm 
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Where I live it's illegal to own a bayonet unless your a registered collector.
But a military fighting knife with a bayonet fitting is perfectly legal.

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 Post subject: Re: The ultimate tactical shotgun?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:20 pm 
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At least I live in a free state where that novelty would be just that, an oddity, not criminality.

Must be a lot of bayonettings in some states. Drive By's?

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 Post subject: Re: The ultimate tactical shotgun?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:45 pm 
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OldStufferA5#1911 wrote:
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If you are Bayonet-Intimidating people in your house who broke in there @ 0200hrs, you're doing it wrong.

I would say the person who broke in was doing it wrong...but that's just me...bayonet or not.

The person who broke in, since that term is being used in the past tense, it assumes that person has done their part properly, they successfully broke in.
The "right or wrong" of the act is different.

Since, again, per the discussion, THAT person has "done their part right" (successfully breaking in), if you are "intimidating" a still fully erect, still fully functional, still uninjured, House-Breaker-Inner with a bayonet, YOU are "doing it wrong".
You should have already used the part the bayonet is attached to, on the House-Breaker-Inner, possibly repeatedly, until they were no longer a viable threat to your safety.

One of the clues to "reduced threat status" is being Horizontal in some manner, possibly while Bleeding Profusely (it distracts them from attacking you (unless John Wick (or a SEAL team) just B&E'd you, in which case, just shoot yourself, you are screwed)).

"Intimidating" someone in a deadly threat situation in order to avoid actually shooting them, is a grand way to get killed.

That's statement makes a great many assumptions, and has little practical value.


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 Post subject: Re: The ultimate tactical shotgun?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:51 pm 
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falcondriver6 wrote:
Ho-hum. Another wannabe zombie weapon from a kid that needs a tour overseas.

In my state sticking a bayonet on the end of shotgun will get you to jail. No passing go.

Don't take that thang outside.

Or show it to anybody.

I'm a Rifleman and Machinegunner by trade. The gun is a legitimate combat weapon with use in WWII to Vietnam. I'm hardly a "kid"...and live in a state where knives aren't illegal. Thanks for playing.


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 Post subject: Re: The ultimate tactical shotgun?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:53 pm 
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Bob9863 wrote:
Where I live it's illegal to own a bayonet unless your a registered collector.
But a military fighting knife with a bayonet fitting is perfectly legal.

That's just silly.


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 Post subject: Re: The ultimate tactical shotgun?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:59 pm 
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OldStufferA5#1911 wrote:
At least I live in a free state where that novelty would be just that, an oddity, not criminality.

Must be a lot of bayonettings in some states. Drive By's?

I wouldn't go as far as calling that a novelty. An unsharpened display example may be just that. Many AR-15's, the 590A1, AK-47/AK-74's, and various popular surplus arms come with functional bayonet lugs...some with integral folding bayonets. I'd hardly call that a novelty.


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 Post subject: Re: The ultimate tactical shotgun?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:02 am 
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Ezra Smack wrote:
Your chances of using up your ammunition in a real home invasion are extremely remote.
Unlike highly trained and motivated soldiers, home invaders scatter like chickens when the shooting starts. They are not prepared to lay down their lives for the sake of the mission so that their surviving buddies can walk off with your big screen TV.

That is certainly, not a certainty. There are many cases where a homeowner ran out of ammunition and was then killed. Hell, even my girlfriend knows of specific examples.


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 Post subject: Re: The ultimate tactical shotgun?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:10 am 
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Bob9863 wrote:
Granted, but it's still kind of cool and historic.

At the end of the day if that's how you want to roll, then roll on son.

That's how I see it.

I sold off a 20" Remington 870 Wingmaster years ago and had been fruitlessly looking for an adequate replacement. It wasn't until I stumbled upon this gun that I felt I had a worthy successor.

Who knew that a shotgun specific forum would be the only place I'd find hate for such a historically revered weapon?

It's a riot to shoot and the slam fire function is a lot of fun for destroying things at close range in a hurry. I love it, it's fun to shoot, and I shoot it well. That's all there is to it for me.


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 Post subject: Re: The ultimate tactical shotgun?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:17 am 
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Rick_A wrote:
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Where I live it's illegal to own a bayonet unless your a registered collector.
But a military fighting knife with a bayonet fitting is perfectly legal.

That's just silly.


Also any knife with the word zombie in some form or a green biohazard symbol will get you arrested, but the same knife in matte black or hit pink is perfectly legal.


FYI for those that don't know, it is actually illegal in international conflicts to either sharpen, or oil a bayonet.
So instead you have to twist it around to ensure a clean kill.

The world is full of stupid laws.

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 Post subject: Re: The ultimate tactical shotgun?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:29 pm 
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FYI for those that don't know, it is actually illegal in international conflicts to either sharpen, or oil a bayonet.


What does oil have to do with anything?

Wouldn't oil prevent the blade from rusting and causing tetanus like stepping on a rusty nail?

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 Post subject: Re: The ultimate tactical shotgun?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:14 pm 
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Contamination of the wound with oil I guess, those rules were made, it's one of those things that always got pointed out to you by someone that wanted you they aren't just an instructor but an expert.
But considering that last real bayonet charge was in Korea, there have been a few on the small scale in the Middle East as a hail Mary that have turned a bad situation.
But I doubt very much anyone actually follows those "rules" I know I certainly never did.

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 Post subject: Re: The ultimate tactical shotgun?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:20 pm 
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While we are on the subject, the butt of the weapon can be used as an effective bludgeon. Also very unlikely to be necessary in a criminal home invasion.

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 Post subject: Re: The ultimate tactical shotgun?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:25 pm 
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Bob9863 wrote:
Rick_A wrote:
Bob9863 wrote:
Where I live it's illegal to own a bayonet unless your a registered collector.
But a military fighting knife with a bayonet fitting is perfectly legal.

That's just silly.


Also any knife with the word zombie in some form or a green biohazard symbol will get you arrested, but the same knife in matte black or hit pink is perfectly legal.


FYI for those that don't know, it is actually illegal in international conflicts to either sharpen, or oil a bayonet.
So instead you have to twist it around to ensure a clean kill.

The world is full of stupid laws.

Which "international law", because I was ISSUED a sharp bayonet, and a whetstone.

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 Post subject: Re: The ultimate tactical shotgun?
PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:59 am 
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It was what we were taught, something about the Hague convention or something like that.

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 Post subject: Re: The ultimate tactical shotgun?
PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:59 am 
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Rick_A wrote:
OldStufferA5#1911 wrote:
Rick_A wrote:
I would say the person who broke in was doing it wrong...but that's just me...bayonet or not.

The person who broke in, since that term is being used in the past tense, it assumes that person has done their part properly, they successfully broke in.
The "right or wrong" of the act is different.

Since, again, per the discussion, THAT person has "done their part right" (successfully breaking in), if you are "intimidating" a still fully erect, still fully functional, still uninjured, House-Breaker-Inner with a bayonet, YOU are "doing it wrong".
You should have already used the part the bayonet is attached to, on the House-Breaker-Inner, possibly repeatedly, until they were no longer a viable threat to your safety.

One of the clues to "reduced threat status" is being Horizontal in some manner, possibly while Bleeding Profusely (it distracts them from attacking you (unless John Wick (or a SEAL team) just B&E'd you, in which case, just shoot yourself, you are screwed)).

"Intimidating" someone in a deadly threat situation in order to avoid actually shooting them, is a grand way to get killed.

That's statement makes a great many assumptions, and has little practical value.


Go ahead and explain, and DO be thorough,,,(and "practical" of course).

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 Post subject: Re: The ultimate tactical shotgun?
PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:12 am 
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The entire premise, based on the assumption that the bayonet is a mere intimidation tool that makes one more vulnerable when attached to the shotgun. In what universe does that make any damn sense? If there's a negative to it, it is the fact that it makes it unwieldy in close quarters.


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 Post subject: Re: The ultimate tactical shotgun?
PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:12 am 
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If your in close quarters then a handgun is better then a shotgun, if your house is open and large then a shotgun is better.
But if could have something for self defense in my little house where the longest shot would be about 15ft I'd choose a handgun over a shotgun.

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 Post subject: Re: The ultimate tactical shotgun?
PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:27 am 
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Bob9863 wrote:
If your in close quarters then a handgun is better then a shotgun, if your house is open and large then a shotgun is better.
But if could have something for self defense in my little house where the longest shot would be about 15ft I'd choose a handgun over a shotgun.

There is virtually no feasible instance where a hand gun would be preferred over an appropriate long gun whether it be a slide action or automatic shotgun or semi automatic carbine.


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 Post subject: Re: The ultimate tactical shotgun?
PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:44 am 
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Bob9863 wrote:
It was what we were taught, something about the Hague convention or something like that.

At least you didn't claim Geneva, thank you.

Those who have no earthly idea what they are talking about when talking of "legally allowed weaponry in war", always say 'Geneva', which has nothing to do with it.

Hague IV 1899 is where the "expanding bullet" is forbidden. I've read Hague IV, a dozen times,,, but not in the last 2 or 3 years.



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