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 Post subject: Best Left Hand HD Pump or Auto. dedicated HD
PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:26 pm 
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Experienced. I shoot a K-80 32" parcours. Have a back up k-32 in 32 and a blaser f16

I shoot SC regularly 75-80 ish. Am very comfortable with doubles but not pump or SA
In NYS absurd SA and AR, pistol laws. Pump is the most open. I never grew up on pump or SA

O/U and SxS. Very comfortable.

HD shotgun seems logical to me VS hand gun or AR

HD has been weighing on my mind, given the trajectory......of the usa

I am right handed, shoot left side given a strong L eyed ominance and recoil not an issue.
5'11" 235. Do not think I would like ejection on the right side.

ISSUES
-LH 870 tactical non existant. LH Wingmaster, yes but not tactical
-Mossberg has a LH 591 tactical but seems rattly
-drawn to a ithaca 37 sandusky hear great things about build quality which is important to me
-BPS is a possibity
-like well built guns
-Price not a deciding factor

like STEEL

So

-is dual bar vs slick action an issue
-tactical 37. If good enough for the SEALS...
-find a 870 lh wingmaster in 28 and cut it,
-Ghost rings?

Thanks in advance for your time and opinions




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 Post subject: Re: Best Left Hand HD Pump or Auto. dedicated HD
PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:29 pm 
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bgnmi wrote:
. LH Wingmaster, yes but not tactical


Define what you mean by "not tactical".

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 Post subject: Re: Best Left Hand HD Pump or Auto. dedicated HD
PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 11:24 pm 
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"Do not think I would like ejection on the right side."

Give it a try and see just how big of a deal it isn't.

AR's (as common as fleas on a hound) throw brass BACKWARDS very much (the reason for the A2 Brass Deflector appendage). They would (do) tend to throw cases right into your face.

All my self-shucking shotty's throw either very much 90* sideways or off to a FORWARD angle (the A5's design).

That case/hull goes past the vision path REAL FAST, and if you are paying attention to what you are trying to hit, few lefties have any real "issues" with that hull in their vision for a few milliseconds.

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 Post subject: Re: Best Left Hand HD Pump or Auto. dedicated HD
PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:05 am 
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Tactical is simply 18.5 or 20 for me. HD would be a better term.


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 Post subject: Re: Best Left Hand HD Pump or Auto. dedicated HD
PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:50 pm 
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bgnmi wrote:
Tactical is simply 18.5 or 20 for me. HD would be a better term.


Probably your best (and cheapest) option would be to purchase a spare barrel for your 870 and have it cut down to your desired length. The only other accessories you might need for HD are an extended magazine tube and a light. It would be quick and easy to change it back for a hunting trip.

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 Post subject: Re: Best Left Hand HD Pump or Auto. dedicated HD
PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:42 pm 
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This is scary. I am your exact ht and wt, right handed, left eye dominant, and shoot left handed. Regardless of how much you spend a properly set up 870 is almost impossible to be topped for HD. Shooting a right handed gun doesn’t phase me in the least I have lots of practice. A very DISTANT 2nd would be an Ithaca.


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 Post subject: Re: Best Left Hand HD Pump or Auto. dedicated HD
PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:34 pm 
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I am right handed, left eye dominate. I have been shooting left handed for at least 45 years. I recently bought a 30" barrel for my LH 870 wingmaster and cut it down to 18.5. It is now my HD shotgun. No need for a magazine extension. 5 shots is more than enough for 99% of any home invasion.


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 Post subject: Re: Best Left Hand HD Pump or Auto. dedicated HD
PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:08 pm 
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8 shot Ithaca 37 w/ 20" barrel. New Ohio Ithaca company sells just such a gun w/ fixed non removable barrel. Local gun shop can direct order for you or you can direct order and ship to your local shop for the FFL.

They are also on GunBroker all the time (both the old and the new). Watching older one from 1976 right now (@ $325 today).
Correctly tuned with a left-handed safety it would be unstoppable. Just need to practice, practice, practice. Can't be over emphasized.


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 Post subject: Re: Best Left Hand HD Pump or Auto. dedicated HD
PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:16 pm 
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I'm left handed and have never seen the need for a left hand ejecting shotgun. My right forearm gets kind of dirty sometimes but I don't recall ever having a hull come back and get me in the head. A Mossberg is very lefty friendly because of the ambidextrous tang safety and position of the slide release and there are left hand safeties available for the 870. I exclude firearms because of a lack of ambidextrous controls but left side ejection is not something I have ever concerned myself with. Having the ejection port right there is actually better in my opinion because I do shoot ambidextrous to do training with my right handed dad and friends but being able to look at the ejection port makes combat reloads and verifying an empty magazine easier.


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 Post subject: Re: Best Left Hand HD Pump or Auto. dedicated HD
PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:23 am 
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Thank you for all the advice
-I do not have any pump yet.
-right side ejection is a minimal issue.
-many lefties find it easier to reload off the right side. Makes perfect sense to me.

This opens up the field if I consider a righty.


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 Post subject: Re: Best Left Hand HD Pump or Auto. dedicated HD
PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:51 pm 
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For years and years the 870 ruled, especially if you got an older model Wingmaster. You could cut the barrel down to legal minimum length and even though the barrel was cylinder, not choked, the introduction of Federal Tactical load gave you an awesome tight pattern. Regular generic 00 buck gave you wider patterns if appropriate and you could shoot slugs without concern. There are numerous ghost ring sights available, oiccatinny rails for optics, and assorted accessories for ammo management. If I was in the market for an 870, I would look up Vangchokes in Prescott Valley, AZ or Gunsite Academy Inc Pro Shop in Paulden, AZ, both likely have one or 2 ready to go.

f you want to start out with something less expensive, just put a toe in the water, look up the Weatherby models. They work. My wife's HD, more accurately her ranch varmint gun with includes both 2 and 4 legged critters is a Weatherby semi-auto in 20 ga. It works. So do their pumps.

I will tell you that after using an 870 for a gazillion years, teaching hundreds of students, etc, I sold them all. You see, I discovered clays, especially Sporting Clays and O/U that doesn't require a manual cycling of the gun. Since I shoot thousands of rounds through my guns, when I shoot a pump, I would sometimes forget to pump the action. Even at the sub-ga events, I call them side matches, I occasionally fail to cycle my BPS. (BPS's are great guns but not at all suitable for tactical use.) No harm at a tournament, but a critical issue in a gun fight. I have settled on the Beretta 1301 Tactical and it is my go to gun for varmints. After some initial QC issues at Beretta USA they are good-to-go. Mine was a very early one.

I'll also add that some of the best 3 gun shooters in the country will set up guns to put the ejection port on the side of the strong hand. This enables eyes-on tactical reloading.

Good luck and be sure to let us know your experiences. If you have question of me, fire away.

s/f Steve


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 Post subject: Re: Best Left Hand HD Pump or Auto. dedicated HD
PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 3:12 pm 
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What about one of these? Don't have any experience with one, but the V3 platform it is based on I own. It has been 100% reliable.

https://www.remington.com/other-products/v3-tac-13


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 Post subject: Re: Best Left Hand HD Pump or Auto. dedicated HD
PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:50 pm 
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oyeme wrote:
What about one of these? Don't have any experience with one, but the V3 platform it is based on I own. It has been 100% reliable.

https://www.remington.com/other-products/v3-tac-13


No. A stockless "firearm" is bad idea for home defense. The birds head grip offers absolutely no benefit in actually shooting the gun. The greatest advantage of these things is in concealment or maneuverability in a confined space like inside your vehicle where you otherwise could not have a shotgun. In a controlled environment like your home where you have the luxury of laying in wait at a choke point like a stairway or narrow hall, there is no reason not to have a stock on your HD weapon. There is definitely a place for these but not for general home defense.

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 Post subject: Re: Best Left Hand HD Pump or Auto. dedicated HD
PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:57 pm 
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Left handed shooter here. The only issue with a Righty 870 that I take issue with is the safety isn't lefty friendly. Other than that, it's a great gun.

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 Post subject: Re: Best Left Hand HD Pump or Auto. dedicated HD
PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:02 pm 
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mark-60 wrote:
Left handed shooter here. The only issue with a Righty 870 that I take issue with is the safety isn't lefty friendly. Other than that, it's a great gun.


I think you can buy a reverse left handed safety for the 870.

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 Post subject: Re: Best Left Hand HD Pump or Auto. dedicated HD
PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:06 pm 
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The safety on the 870/1100/11-87 is easily modified.

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 Post subject: Re: Best Left Hand HD Pump or Auto. dedicated HD
PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:20 am 
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My Son is a lefty. I intentionally set him up with a RH “serious” shotgun. That way it is easier for him to load singles into the loading port. If I could find a decent LH 870 for a good price I would buy one for myself to use as a right handed shooter.


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 Post subject: Re: Best Left Hand HD Pump or Auto. dedicated HD
PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:00 am 
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Ezra Smack wrote:
oyeme wrote:
What about one of these? Don't have any experience with one, but the V3 platform it is based on I own. It has been 100% reliable.

https://www.remington.com/other-products/v3-tac-13


No. A stockless "firearm" is bad idea for home defense. The birds head grip offers absolutely no benefit in actually shooting the gun. The greatest advantage of these things is in concealment or maneuverability in a confined space like inside your vehicle where you otherwise could not have a shotgun. In a controlled environment like your home where you have the luxury of laying in wait at a choke point like a stairway or narrow hall, there is no reason not to have a stock on your HD weapon. There is definitely a place for these but not for general home defense.


I fully accept your advice especially with your background in LE. I just thought in a small house the maneuverability would have benefits much like a handgun does.


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 Post subject: Re: Best Left Hand HD Pump or Auto. dedicated HD
PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:25 am 
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oyeme wrote:
Ezra Smack wrote:
oyeme wrote:
What about one of these? Don't have any experience with one, but the V3 platform it is based on I own. It has been 100% reliable.

https://www.remington.com/other-products/v3-tac-13


No. A stockless "firearm" is bad idea for home defense. The birds head grip offers absolutely no benefit in actually shooting the gun. The greatest advantage of these things is in concealment or maneuverability in a confined space like inside your vehicle where you otherwise could not have a shotgun. In a controlled environment like your home where you have the luxury of laying in wait at a choke point like a stairway or narrow hall, there is no reason not to have a stock on your HD weapon. There is definitely a place for these but not for general home defense.


I fully accept your advice especially with your background in LE. I just thought in a small house the maneuverability would have benefits much like a handgun does.

Then shorten the gun by pulling the stock back underneath your armpit, by your ribs, "hip-shooting" as it is referred to.
You gain the reduced length for maneuverability, you maintain a BETTER ability to control the gun in recoil because of both greater mass (wood stock) and frictional grip (between arm and torso side), AND you maintain the ability to actually aim accurately by actually being able to shoulder the gun properly when desired.

The only "gain" with the stockless short-barreled "firearm" is smaller size for storage.

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 Post subject: Re: Best Left Hand HD Pump or Auto. dedicated HD
PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:32 am 
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Will practice that technique OldStufferA5#1911. Thanks. I still learn stuff every day!




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