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 Post subject: More on layered home defense.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:28 pm 
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In a recent thread about having to shoot indoors in a home invasion, I opined that you should keep a pair of ear muffs by your weapon. I then went into detail of how a layered home defense plan should give you ample time. In a similar thread on a martial arts forum someone else offered this pearl of wisdom that I would like to share.

When this man had his house built he had all the downstairs light switches placed two feet high instead of the standard 48". The idea is that if anyone broke in at night they would be unable to feel around and find the switches that turn on any of the downstairs lights and therefore be fumbling around in total darkness. Either that or be holding a flashlight which makes for an easy target. Meanwhile the home owner would be at the end of a darkened hallway with his weapon light lying in wait.



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 Post subject: Re: More on layered home defense.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:02 pm 
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Wow.....


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 Post subject: Re: More on layered home defense.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:24 pm 
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As Bugs Bunny would say, "What a maroon." The reality is the owner merely lowered the sale price of the home rather than add any real security. Placing switches at such a level would be a real inconvenience in every day life and have little to no affect on someone breaking into the home. Anyone who has criminally broken into a home would not use the lights in fear of attracting attention and the police. That is pretty basic knowledge among those criminally inclined and most average people if they give it some thought. It would be much more beneficial to leave light switches in the normal positions but be able to control the lights from multiple places or at least the bedroom.

In my case I had the ceiling light in the kitchen on the main floor wired to a switch in the upstairs hallway. I did this in part for security as I can illuminate the downstairs while remain in shadows upstairs but more importantly, I can turn on the kitchen light and enough light bleeds over that I can easily see to walk up or down the stairs. This lessens the odds of waking up my wife if I want to go downstairs if she is asleep.

I also have front and rear yard lights so wired. If I hear a car in the driveway or a disturbance in the yard, I can light up the area before going downstairs. That was suggested by the electrician wiring my house and was a great idea.

As for the flashlight disadvantage, that is mostly urban legend these days. Those who subscribe to this probably also think the same regarding weapon lights and are still using hand held light techniques that were taught pre-1970's. Criminal's learn to be very careful in the use of lights during their escapades. As mentioned, lights attract attention and flashlights are even more so. Therefore, criminal's use them very little and typically only when necessary.

Layered defenses are good ideas but many cannot implement them due to renting, homeowner associations, cost, or other factors. Those folks have to make do with the options left to them.


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 Post subject: Re: More on layered home defense.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:07 am 
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I live in a single floor house with 2 bedrooms on opposite ends. My disabled son's bedroom is at the opposite end of a small house (1,800 sq ft). I also have a French door from the small dining area and sliding doors from the LR all going directly into the screened in lanai. Front door is between our MB and son's bedroom. Garage door that comes into a small utility area.

All have dead bolts and key locks. The only slider type doors in LR has a "charley bar" across it and our 10 ft "seasonal tree" tree always in front of it. In addition, I have replaced the screws in the door jambs with longer more robust ones.

I have thought about it a lot, but cannot think of any scenario short of someone trying to break directly into our bedroom, where I would not have to go towards my son's room to get between him and any burgler. I have played out several scenarios in my mind but the inescapable fact is that I need to move to our son's bedroom ASAP, if I hear any break in type of noise.

I am thinking of having a very strong metal exterior type of door installed at the entrance to my son's room where I could also have installed a quick, quality lock or some sort, high enough he could not reach it and lock himself in by accident. Then my bride and I could run to his room, lock that door and get back behind the bed, and the 3 of us wait out an intruder. Unfortunately due to the lay out, I would probably run into whoever is in our house first before getting to my son's room. We do have a monitored security system, but don't think it would be of timely help besides waking the neighbors up.

I just cannot figure out any good way to get my small family secure and wait out a break in. My primary HD weapon is a shotgun. I guess the best case scenario is one that never gets played out. I sure hope so but it does cause me concern. It really does.


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 Post subject: Re: More on layered home defense.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:19 am 
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For starters, building codes will not allow you to place light switches at any old height you wish, at least where I live. Honestly, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. If you need 'layered defense', what you actually need is a new address.

Or would that make any difference for these types of people?

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 Post subject: Re: More on layered home defense.
PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:16 am 
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That is so very stupid. Inconvenience everyone (a single, lonely man I imagine) who lives there every day for as many years as you live there so that MAYBE the lower light switches will confuse a burglar for a few seconds. Try to explain to a potential buyer if you ever want to sell that house why they have to bend down to activate the light switches. You'd probably be better off lying and saying the house was built to accommodate a dwarf. The thing that amuses me the most about this sort of nonsense is the people who are most concerned about trespassing, burglary, etc are often (not always but pretty often) also the kind with broken down trash cars on their lawn and not a single thing worth stealing inside.


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 Post subject: Re: More on layered home defense.
PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2020 10:31 am 
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I understand the logic. I’m not sure that I agree though as thieves would not be likely to use house lights. I also doubt that it’s true. There is no way that would pass inspection.


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 Post subject: Re: More on layered home defense.
PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2020 10:47 am 
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It's been many, many years since I went thru the Sheriff's dept. academy and got any info about dealing with burglars/intruders but when did they start turning on lights when they come in?




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