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 Post subject: Will an inertia shotgun cycle in non-standard positions?
PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2020 6:51 pm 
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Something I have been thinking about. Since I've heard you need to have inertia action shotguns firmly in the shoulder, will they cycle in positions where the stock isn't in the shoulder?




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 Post subject: Re: Will an inertia shotgun cycle in non-standard positions?
PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2020 7:02 pm 
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Possibly, probably. My M2 cycles fine from the hip, or one handed, sideways both port up and down.


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 Post subject: Re: Will an inertia shotgun cycle in non-standard positions?
PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2020 6:02 pm 
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Rooster booster wrote:
Possibly, probably. My M2 cycles fine from the hip, or one handed, sideways both port up and down.



So you tested it one-handed? How'd you do that?


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 Post subject: Re: Will an inertia shotgun cycle in non-standard positions?
PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2020 6:29 pm 
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I didn’t ‘test’ per se, more like horsing around. I’ve shot it using my right hand only from the shoulder, and right hand with the side of the stock against my hip.

You can shoot a pistol grip version pretty easy, with the armpit or hip method.


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 Post subject: Re: Will an inertia shotgun cycle in non-standard positions?
PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2020 6:50 pm 
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Redhat wrote:
Something I have been thinking about. Since I've heard you need to have inertia action shotguns firmly in the shoulder, will they cycle in positions where the stock isn't in the shoulder?


Heck yes.


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 Post subject: Re: Will an inertia shotgun cycle in non-standard positions?
PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2020 7:33 pm 
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Rooster booster wrote:
I didn’t ‘test’ per se, more like horsing around. I’ve shot it using my right hand only from the shoulder, and right hand with the side of the stock against my hip.

You can shoot a pistol grip version pretty easy, with the armpit or hip method.


I see thanks again.


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 Post subject: Re: Will an inertia shotgun cycle in non-standard positions?
PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2020 7:38 pm 
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Sure. Interesting note, inertia shotgun actually need to move ‘some’ in order to function. If you hold the butt of one firmly against a brick wall, chances are good it won’t function.


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 Post subject: Re: Will an inertia shotgun cycle in non-standard positions?
PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2020 8:19 pm 
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Rooster booster wrote:
Sure. Interesting note, inertia shotgun actually need to move ‘some’ in order to function. If you hold the butt of one firmly against a brick wall, chances are good it won’t function.



Makes sense. If the gun were completely locked down, would there be inertia? Maybe within the internal components?

My question derived from a situation where you might have to "short stock" the gun of fire from a position on the ground where you couldn't shoulder the stock as normal.


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 Post subject: Re: Will an inertia shotgun cycle in non-standard positions?
PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2020 8:49 pm 
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For those types of situations, a pistol grip gives a lot more leverage.


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 Post subject: Re: Will an inertia shotgun cycle in non-standard positions?
PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2020 12:29 am 
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Redhat wrote:
Rooster booster wrote:
Sure. Interesting note, inertia shotgun actually need to move ‘some’ in order to function. If you hold the butt of one firmly against a brick wall, chances are good it won’t function.



Makes sense. If the gun were completely locked down, would there be inertia? Maybe within the internal components?

My question derived from a situation where you might have to "short stock" the gun of fire from a position on the ground where you couldn't shoulder the stock as normal.

Nope, not once you figure out how the action operates.

The bolt is locked to the barrel, the barrel is locked to the receiver.
The bolt BODY 'floats' off of the bolt by a short powerful spring.

When the gun lunges back recoiling, the bolt body stays in place, compressing the spring between it and the bolt.

As soon as the compressed spring overcomes the bolt body inertia it flings it backwards.

If the receiver does not move rearward in recoil, nothing loads that drive spring.
If the receiver doesn't move rearward ENOUGH, the drive spring is not loaded enough and the action short-strokes. Typically from weak ammo or weight added to the gun (receiver or stock mounted ammo holders).

Benelli type inertials actually run BETTER the less resistance to rear movement they have as long as they aren't allowed to just slide freely which makes the bolt assy have to travel too far rearward chasing the receiver.

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 Post subject: Re: Will an inertia shotgun cycle in non-standard positions?
PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2020 1:06 am 
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It is all quite obvious if you watch the Tom Knapp video above: from the hip, from the hip behind his back, upside down / over his head, etc., etc.

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 Post subject: Re: Will an inertia shotgun cycle in non-standard positions?
PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2020 3:00 pm 
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My Stoeger 2000 Defense (PG) cycles as reliably off the shoulder as it does on.


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 Post subject: Re: Will an inertia shotgun cycle in non-standard positions?
PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2020 8:20 pm 
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I have had exactly ONE malfunction with my Benelli Super 90 that I bought new in 1986. I was shooting from behind a barricade in competition and leaned out a little to far and lost my balance. I fired it without the stock touching my shoulder and it failed to eject.



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