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 Post subject: Fixed Side Saddle or Velcro System?
PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2020 11:23 am 
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I keep going back and forth on the pros/cons of velcro side saddle systems vs. more permanent fixed side saddles. Help me think through this and evaluate my thought process:

1. Permanent side saddles are fixed, solid, permanent. And they look good.
2. They require you to remove pins and so forth to use use them, thus they must be removed each time you strip the shotgun for cleaning (detailed).
3. They do only offer you an extra 6 -8 or so rounds, then they too must be reloaded.

They seem therefore to limit your options.

1. Velcro systems permit you to affix the adhesive velcro in such a way that you can have full access to the take down pins, so that is not an issue.
2. They allow you to have as many rounds at the ready as you have holders for the shells, slap on a new one and go.
3. It would appear to be a more convenient way to have shells at the ready in any situation: from range use to real-world applications.

If I go velcro, I'm going Esstac. In fact I have it all here, I finally got my shotgun in and am now just verifying my thinking before I install and apply. I'm going to do it very methodically, very careful degrease with a solution, followed by alcohol, before I put the velcro strip on.

Thoughts?




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 Post subject: Re: Fixed Side Saddle or Velcro System?
PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2020 12:07 pm 
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I prefer the velcro solution. I also prefer the ESSTAC velcro shell holders. I found velcro panels that have MOLLE backing. By mounting a couple of these velcro panels on your belt you essentially have magazine holders for those velcro shell holders.

The panels and extra holders are not really necessary for pretty much any situation that I might encounter at home, but they are great for classes and practice drills.

When you mount the velcro to your shotgun do so with the pump in the rearward position and pre trim the velcro or use a hole punch so it does not interfere with any pins, screws, or other things that you will want access to when you take down your shotgun completely. Also keep everything well clear of your dominant hand. Trim the velcro so it can fully adhere to your receiver, trim off any parts of the velcro that will come loose because of bends or contours on your receiver. Keep the velcro and the shell carrier well clear of the safety. Once you stick the velcro to your receiver you can do a test fit of the shell holder, but then remove it and let the adhesive on the velcro fully adhere to the receiver for 24 to 48 hours before you permanently stick on the shell carrier. I would even encourage you to set a heavy book on the velcro so it has those hours to adhere while pressure is applied to help the velcro adhesive make a really solid bond.

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 Post subject: Re: Fixed Side Saddle or Velcro System?
PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2020 12:27 pm 
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Great suggestions, thanks


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 Post subject: Re: Fixed Side Saddle or Velcro System?
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2020 8:46 pm 
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As I understand it, adding weight to inertia operated shotguns like Benellis can cause malfunctions. Velcro mounted side saddles were developed to have a little bit of give which lessens the tendency to cause malfunctions.

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 Post subject: Re: Fixed Side Saddle or Velcro System?
PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2020 9:47 am 
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I'm not sure I follow you Ezra. The weight difference between a velcro side saddle with 7 shells as opposed to a polymer shell holder with 7 shells really makes the difference on an inertia shotgun between functionality and non-funtionality?

And, I'm pretty sure side-saddles were developed first with pump shotguns in mind, the velcro holders made it easy for people to have multiple preloaded shell holders ready to go on chest rigs or battle belts since they fit into a typical M4 mag holder, or you can have them slapped on to velcro loop strips anywhere.


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 Post subject: Re: Fixed Side Saddle or Velcro System?
PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2020 8:01 pm 
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I'm not sure I follow you Ezra. The weight difference between a velcro side saddle with 7 shells as opposed to a polymer shell holder with 7 shells really makes the difference on an inertia shotgun between functionality and non-funtionality?


It has something to do with Velcro mounded side saddle being a little less ridged. It supposedly has a little bit of give which stopped the malfunctions. I personally don't know because I don't like side saddles but I read a lot about this on the Brian Enos 3 gun forum which is frequented by some of the best shotgun shooters in the world.

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 Post subject: Re: Fixed Side Saddle or Velcro System?
PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2020 10:05 pm 
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It makes no sense, frankly, but who cares? The velcro side system is definitely the way to go


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 Post subject: Re: Fixed Side Saddle or Velcro System?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:17 am 
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A little late to the party, but I like the Vang Comp shell cards that go with their mounting plate. I just don’t use the mounting plate. The backing material that the elastic loop is attached to on the VCS cards does not protrude past the top or bottom of the elastic loops. This makes it much easier to retrieve shells from the card.



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