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 Post subject: An interesting observation on people wearing masks.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:07 pm 
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Now that it has become common for people to go around with the lower half of their face covered I have noticed something interesting. I wonder if you have noticed it too. The mask makes virtually no difference in identifying people you know! Posture, hair, voice, the way people carry themselves and their eyes tell you all that you need to know about who is behind the mask.

Anyone else notice this?



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 Post subject: Re: An interesting observation on people wearing masks.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:41 pm 
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I’ve heard some guys are finding that seeing a woman take her mask off is striking them as sexy.

I for some reason haven’t noticed that.


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 Post subject: Re: An interesting observation on people wearing masks.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:46 pm 
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Some women, like the girl at the front desk at the gym, look better in a mask. She has big sparkling blue eyes but unfortunately, she has a weak underdeveloped chin and crooked teeth. The mask covers that.

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 Post subject: Re: An interesting observation on people wearing masks.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:22 pm 
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Ezra Smack wrote:
Some women, like the girl at the front desk at the gym, look better in a mask. She has big sparkling blue eyes but unfortunately, she has a weak underdeveloped chin and crooked teeth. The mask covers that.


Personally, I wouldn’t have been close enough to a gym to notice ( which I miss a great deal ). I’m 72 with controlled hypertension. Too risky.

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 Post subject: Re: An interesting observation on people wearing masks.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:48 pm 
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I cross paths with the general public very often in my job and have no problem identifying acquaintances who are wearing masks.

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 Post subject: Re: An interesting observation on people wearing masks.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:05 pm 
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That has long been known up here where winter not only has one wearing a mask that covers the whole head but also bulky clothing or even a helmet if snowmobiling. A person's gait, mannerisms, and stance are only a few identifiers one notices besides their looks. It is why a mask is a poor means of hiding one's identity if the victim is even somewhat familiar with the suspect.

The last few months has had a normal crime rate with a normal clearance rate. Physical descriptions have changed little but witnesses have picked up more observations regarding how the suspect moves, carries themselves, or other bits of information which are often more helpful than what the suspect looked like. Witnesses often second guess themselves on a suspect's look but are often spot on or very close in regards to their movement.

Neither is good enough for an arrest on their own but either can be a clue towards someone to look at closer. A mask tends to have a different characteristic noticed than without. That was realized long before robbing stagecoaches was in fashion and is no less true today.


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 Post subject: Re: An interesting observation on people wearing masks.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:12 pm 
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After dealing with people wearing masks for 3 months, I am convinced that a masked criminal can only remain anonymous if the victims did not know him.

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 Post subject: Re: An interesting observation on people wearing masks.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:03 pm 
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I find myself disguising my voice with a phony accent to throw people off when at the grocery store. They can`t see me trying so hard to sound like someone with an accent.


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 Post subject: Re: An interesting observation on people wearing masks.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:27 am 
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I find it harder to understand what people are saying with their mouths hidden. We learn to use mouth movements to fill in missing information in a noisy background or when our hearing is not what it used to be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-lN8vWm3m0

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 Post subject: Re: An interesting observation on people wearing masks.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:08 am 
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B.L.E. wrote:
I find it harder to understand what people are saying with their mouths hidden. We learn to use mouth movements to fill in missing information in a noisy background or when our hearing is not what it used to be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-lN8vWm3m0



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 Post subject: Re: An interesting observation on people wearing masks.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:33 pm 
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uglydog wrote:
That has long been known up here where winter not only has one wearing a mask that covers the whole head but also bulky clothing or even a helmet if snowmobiling. A person's gait, mannerisms, and stance are only a few identifiers one notices besides their looks. It is why a mask is a poor means of hiding one's identity if the victim is even somewhat familiar with the suspect.

The last few months has had a normal crime rate with a normal clearance rate. Physical descriptions have changed little but witnesses have picked up more observations regarding how the suspect moves, carries themselves, or other bits of information which are often more helpful than what the suspect looked like. Witnesses often second guess themselves on a suspect's look but are often spot on or very close in regards to their movement.

Neither is good enough for an arrest on their own but either can be a clue towards someone to look at closer. A mask tends to have a different characteristic noticed than without. That was realized long before robbing stagecoaches was in fashion and is no less true today.

That is very interesting, and once again you have amazed me with your powers of observation. Also it agrees with what I have observed. For example, Joe Biden still looked and sounded like an idiot with his mask, even with his sun glasses.


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 Post subject: Re: An interesting observation on people wearing masks.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:28 pm 
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Ezra Smack wrote:
After dealing with people wearing masks for 3 months, I am convinced that a masked criminal can only remain anonymous if the victims did not know him.


Technically, the suspect can be anonymous to the victim even if a mask is not worn but I agree with the premise for the most part.

Even though the victim was not able to identify the suspect, the prevalence of surveillance cameras can bring forth significant leads when shown to the public. Over the years, many local crimes have been solved through leads generated when pictures or video have been broadcast through local papers, TV, and lately social media sites. Whether pictures were too grainy to recognize facial features to suspects covering their faces when these clues were shown to the public, most resulted in at least one lead that was credible which very often lead to an arrest. These results are why I don't place much faith in a simple mask causing an increased number of unsolvable crimes. It may result in more work and longer investigations or need the help of the public but the crimes tend to be solved.

It helps to be in a relatively small district as the total number of crimes is less though there are fewer agents available to investigate. Time and political constraints are serious limiting factors in solving crimes so some get short shrift. We do have a large tourist population through most of the year which adds to the challenge but even when tourists are involved, the solve rate is quite high. Everyone has traits that others recognize and those are often the determining factor in identifying a suspect.


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 Post subject: Re: An interesting observation on people wearing masks.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:57 pm 
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JoeCool wrote:
That is very interesting, and once again you have amazed me with your powers of observation. Also it agrees with what I have observed. For example, Joe Biden still looked and sounded like an idiot with his mask, even with his sun glasses.


It is not unique to me, noticing traits and mannerisms in people is something an officer picks up in the course of their duties. Or, should pick up if they wish to be as safe as possible while doing their job. Many other occupations learn similar if not the same skills in their jobs, at least the good ones. A few I can think of are bouncers, race vehicle drivers, teachers, therapists, exorcists, social workers, boxers/martial artists, too often customer service reps, and even some hobbies to like competition dancing or others performing in a crowd or group. Being able to detect mannerisms common to certain actions helps one to avoid or deflect a conflict or collision.

I am very grateful to have had the oppotunity to spend a week in New York City with an NYPD officer who worked much of the time in the Bronx and Brooklyn from 1970-1995. He taught me much on what to look for as we walked the streets with our wives. He noticed at a glance what took me a bit of observation to pick out. I would have done a ride along or two but my girlfriend had me booked solid for the whole week so that did not come to be.

I did do a ride along with Chicago PD in 1985, that was eye opening though not very instructive. It was spent responding to one radio call after another with little time patrolling and virtually no tips other than what they wanted me to do if shooting broke out. The biggest lesson I learned is that one can be too busy and that tempo can wear one out mentally quicker than physically.

I'll have to take your word regarding Biden, I don't think I have seen an image of him since before this craziness started. And I don't miss it.


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 Post subject: Re: An interesting observation on people wearing masks.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:06 pm 
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I have tried to take phone orders from customers who are obviously wearing masks at work and some of them sound like Charlie Brown's teacher.

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 Post subject: Re: An interesting observation on people wearing masks.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:59 pm 
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I admit the mask wearing thing was kinda funny at first due to how you could walk into a bank or liquor store or even the local PD wearing a mask and no one batted an eyelash. Another thing that's funny is my local dispensary has a huge sign on the door that says hoodies aren't allowed to be wore due to it hides your face from the security cams, but yet wearing masks is okay. Anyways, it's boring now and pointless. Masks don't prevent you from getting the virus, they only prevent you from spreading it and even that is debatable.

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 Post subject: Re: An interesting observation on people wearing masks.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:24 pm 
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The mask does not help much in protecting you from the virus, it protects others from you. Think about it. You go to the doctor to have your finger sewed up, the doctor wears the mask, not you.
The mask might kelp keep you from breathing in germs but your wet eyeballs are still exposed to airborne viruses.

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 Post subject: Re: An interesting observation on people wearing masks.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:58 pm 
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If masks help keep from spreading the virus don’t they inherently keep from getting the virus. I’m not pro or anti mask. I think that people can choose whatever they want when it comes to wearing masks, but I think your logic might be skewed .Wet eyeballs is interesting though. I’m sure it’s possible to transmit that way, but probably not the #1 way to contract a respiratory virus.


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 Post subject: Re: An interesting observation on people wearing masks.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:03 pm 
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I have also noticed that the ladies eyes seem a little more attractive with masks on.
Could lead to some disappointment though when they dismask and have a big old honker, beak and a Jack o lantern smile.
Good thing there is still bourbon around to even the playing field. Everyone is purtier on bourbon.


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 Post subject: Re: An interesting observation on people wearing masks.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:10 am 
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trevijazz wrote:
I have also noticed that the ladies eyes seem a little more attractive with masks on.
Could lead to some disappointment though when they dismask and have a big old honker, beak and a Jack o lantern smile.
Good thing there is still bourbon around to even the playing field. Everyone is purtier on bourbon.



I think Mickey Gilley sang about a similar transformation. The girls all get prettier at closing time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-nkLMWDUt4


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 Post subject: Re: An interesting observation on people wearing masks.
PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:27 pm 
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JoeCool wrote:
That is very interesting, and once again you have amazed me with your powers of observation. Also it agrees with what I have observed. For example, Joe Biden still looked and sounded like an idiot with his mask, even with his sun glasses.


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