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 Post subject: Dating Baikal guns
PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:45 pm 
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Are baikal guns able to be dated buy their serial number?.If so when would a model 58,with the prefix KA likely to have been made?.




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 Post subject: Re: Dating Baikal guns
PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:18 pm 
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The letter codes can be traced back to mfg year, I used to upload a letter code to date table somewhere here. Unfortunately many letters and letter combinations were used on two or even three different years, this is not very reliable. My own Izh 58 16 bore with the same КА lettering comes from 1973.

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 Post subject: Re: Dating Baikal guns
PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:59 am 
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I brought a identical gun last week,Humpty.A 16 bore IJ-58 with KA prefix.Will post pics when it arrives,it has had less than 100 cartridges put through it.


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 Post subject: Re: Dating Baikal guns
PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:03 am 
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Beech stock, straight grip? Mine loves old-fashioned fiber wad ammo and patterns it tighter than tight. Ducks positively hate that. (Do I remember right that in NZ non-tox regulation doesn't cover 16 bores?)

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 Post subject: Re: Dating Baikal guns
PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:36 pm 
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At present,its still OK to use lead for waterfowl in 16 ga guns.No,the IJ-58 I brought has a pistol grip stock,however,over christmas I converted a 16 ga Baikal single shot to a straight grip stock,as its only a few years old and the stocks they come with now (Birch I think) are very clubby and uncomfortable.I will post a pic of that also.


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 Post subject: Re: Dating Baikal guns
PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:34 am 
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All right. There was some differences of opinion whether the guns with the same letter cods and years came in the same configuration, including stock wood and shape. Apparently not.

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 Post subject: Re: Dating Baikal guns
PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:32 am 
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Where is the serial number on a Baikal? I have an IJ-12 with no idea when it was made.

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 Post subject: Re: Dating Baikal guns
PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:31 pm 
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On the trigger guard.
On the barrels and on the action too, but you'd probably have to take the barrels off to get a view on them. The trigger guard one is in plain view. Should look something like A 12345

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 Post subject: Re: Dating Baikal guns
PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:13 am 
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How old would one be if the serial number was K296**


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 Post subject: Re: Dating Baikal guns
PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:43 am 
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According to the table I have, it can be 1971, or 1973, 1974

"K" apparently was the favorite letter of whoever made 58s, it appears on every other year of the model's production span :)

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 Post subject: Re: Dating Baikal guns
PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:49 am 
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Thank you. I just picked on up that appears it may have had as much as a box of shells through it over the years, I was curious how old it was.


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 Post subject: Re: Dating Baikal guns
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:27 am 
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Caerlonie wrote:
Are baikal guns able to be dated buy their serial number?.If so when would a model 58,with the prefix KA likely to have been made?.

If i remember rightly the the later model of baikal the where all the serial number are numbers, the first 2 numbers are the manufacture year.. The models with the numbers & letters i thought were all hammer action guns if this is the case the letters have nothing to do with the year, 58 will be the year of the gun... Regards leon


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 Post subject: Re: Dating Baikal guns
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:39 am 
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smallsc111 wrote:
Where is the serial number on a Baikal? I have an IJ-12 with no idea when it was made.
Like i have already told another fellow baikal shooter, if u look either under ure cocking arm or remove the understock there should either be a row of about 6-8 numbers the first two numbers of the sequence will b the date of manufacture... If you have a couple of letters & two numbers the numbers will be the date ure gun was made!!! I.E 57ga means it was made in 57, some people think the letters have something to do with the year, but back then the gun smith who made that model had there initials stamped along with the year.. I hope u find what ure looking for happy shooting!


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 Post subject: Re: Dating Baikal guns
PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:02 pm 
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trapking - I'm afraid you have been grossly misinformed.

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 Post subject: Re: Dating Baikal guns
PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 12:35 pm 
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Humpty Dumpty wrote:
trapking - I'm afraid you have been grossly misinformed.
I def no that if the serial numbers r all numbers then the first 2 are the date of manufacture, but i will not argue over the letter & number combo, as ive been told so many different things over the years by different gunsmiths i really give up!!! Could u shade some light on it for me... And did u read my other forum i have got a o/u twin trigger 27e and its half & 3/4 chokes so a few weeks ago my father asked me to a clay shoot, and called pull pulling the rear trigger first as that is the half choke, and it set both barrels off at exactly the same time, ive had the gun for over 10 years i look after it and service it regularly... Ive sinced used the gun after stripping it blowing all the gubbings with an airline oiling all the safety, springs and moving parts, & it seems fine... But no 1 i no has any time 4 baikals they all keep tellin me to get a real gun, but i have other guns but my trusty baikal is my favourite, i have a barretta that i find far to heavy as my baikal is 7.4 lbs & i usually hit around the 90% mark with it, but i must admit it its rocked my confidence with the gun, coz its gotta bit of a kick with 1 shell let alone 2 at a time. The only plus side was ive never seen a clay turn to sheer dust like that 1 did... Any info would b apriciated as i love the gun its served me well after putting about 20,000 shells through it


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 Post subject: Re: Dating Baikal guns
PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 2:19 pm 
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Humpty Dumpty wrote:
Beech stock, straight grip? Mine loves old-fashioned fiber wad ammo and patterns it tighter than tight. Ducks positively hate that. (Do I remember right that in NZ non-tox regulation doesn't cover 16 bores?)
I think u will find it depends on the year dude but as we all no the letters & numbers prefix can cover 3-5 years of actual mf year, and i haven't found a gunsmith that tells the same story!!!! It seems to me they make it up as they go along!!! Something i have heard is it will take steel it will b ok for fibre wads, but as i said its only wots been passed down to me, so may not be realiable regards leon


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 Post subject: Re: Dating Baikal guns
PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 9:49 pm 
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Actually it's pretty easy.
The below refers to guns made by IzhMech plant in Izhevsk. TOZ (Tula Armory), TsKIB SOO (a.k.a. "Russian Purdey's"), Zlatoust Armory, IzhMash and Vyatskie Polyany have or had their own numbering systems which can differ slightly.
The serial No's where first two numbers stand for Mfg year have 7 digits and no letter. This system has been in use since 1987.
Before 1987, serial No's containded 1 or 2 letters and 4 or 5 digits. The letters were not a date code, you're right about that, but generally the letter will narrow the possible mfg year to two or three years, and sometimes will give you the exact year.
You're right that the letter is NOT a date code. It's something which has to do with manufactoring
The serial No that do have
I've been all but born with these guns,

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 Post subject: Re: Dating Baikal guns
PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 2:52 pm 
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Humpty Dumpty wrote:
Actually it's pretty easy.
The below refers to guns made by IzhMech plant in Izhevsk. TOZ (Tula Armory), TsKIB SOO (a.k.a. "Russian Purdey's"), Zlatoust Armory, IzhMash and Vyatskie Polyany have or had their own numbering systems which can differ slightly.
The serial No's where first two numbers stand for Mfg year have 7 digits and no letter. This system has been in use since 1987.
Before 1987, serial No's containded 1 or 2 letters and 4 or 5 digits. The letters were not a date code, you're right about that, but generally the letter will narrow the possible mfg year to two or three years, and sometimes will give you the exact year.
You're right that the letter is NOT a date code. It's something which has to do with manufactoring
The serial No that do have
I've been all but born with these guns,
So have you got any idea why pulling the rear trigger on my 27e, which i will have done so on many accations!! Why after all this time did it decide to let both barrels go at the same time, coz it certainly frightened me for a moment or 2 & even after stripping it, which again ive done so many times i could prob do it blindfolded!!! But ive put 150 shells through it again today & no probs, you sound like you have the same love ror russian guns as i do.. So i wondered if you have ever heard of it happening to yourself or anyone you no??? It's an 89 mfr gun, i just dont want to take it to our regular gunsmith as he is one of those if it isn't english or american he just say's get a proper gun, when i asked him if he'd ever owned a russian gun he looked down his nose even more, so i dont want to ask him coz firstly he wouldn't have a clue & secondly i dont wanna waste my favourite gun on shoving it up his a$$... Sorry but i think ive prob forgot more about shotguns than he knows, many thanks leon


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 Post subject: Re: Dating Baikal guns
PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:48 am 
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I just picked up a nice Baikal IJ-27E 12 gauge. Having a hard time putting an age to it, but the serial # starts with a single letter "A".
Any ideas? Thanks!


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 Post subject: Re: Dating Baikal guns
PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 10:13 pm 
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Serial#: A 08966




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