Thanks, as I said, I may have misinterpreted what he said. Apparently that was true.

You've been singing the praises of one Hevi-Shot product or another in nearly every post you ever made on SGW. Are you a field rep for them or just a well-heeled fan boy?

it's got nothing to do with being well heeled. It's about being what is now politely referred to as a 'brand ambassador'.

If this were my site such people would be banned and given a link for signing up at trapshooters.com.

Of course it does. Only the well heeled can afford to shoot real 12 g/cc Hevi-Shot for waterfowl. Otherwise, you're a field rep/brand ambassador and don't pay for the shells.

No it does not. Read the guys past postings. He's just another shill for sketchy-shot.

Let's put it this way, most guys who hunt more than once or twice a season can't afford to shoot Hevi-Shot Duck at $450 for a case of 100 shells, especially when good steel shot kills ducks pretty well.

I use it for turkey and geese, it has done amazing work for me. I am not a fan boy but don't apologize for using it either.

I only use it for turkey( Hevi-13, 3”, 2 oz. #6 ) and it’s certainly done the job in excellent order up to my 40 yard limit. There’s probably lots of shells that will kill a turkey within that range, I’ve just personally not gotten into comparing a bunch of loads as to how many hundreds of pellets in a turkey head and neck target one vs. another. How many does it take anyway to effectively kill a turkey at 40 yards and in? I just know that they’ve done great through a .660 Jellyhead in my 870 Super Mag. Choices are wonderful things!

Here are some of my turkey load pattern numbers to give you an idea of how some perform at 40 yards. I did most of this work a few years back, so some of these tungsten-based loads are no longer available.

The 12-gauge 3-inch loads were shot through a Remington 870 Special Purpose shotgun and the 12-gauge 3 ½-inch loads were shot through a Remington 870 Super Magnum shotgun. A Remington Turkey Super Full Extended choke (.063-inch constriction) was used for all lead loads and a Remington Hevi-Shot Super Full Extended choke (.053-inch constriction) was used with all steel and tungsten-based loads.

Pattern testing was accomplished by using 48-inch x 48-inch pattern paper with a turkey head-and-neck target placed in the center of each pattern sheet prior to the patterning shot; yardages were measure with a tape from muzzle to target; and pattern counts, pattern percentages and Skull/Cervical Vertebrae (S/CV) hits were the average from five patterns.

In-shell pellet count averages were the result of cutting open and counting the pellets from five shells out of the same box/lot as the pattern loads. These in-shell pellet counts allowed for true pattern percentage calculations.

40-YARD PATTERNS
Fed Hi-Velocity 3" 1 ¾ oz #5 lead (322 pellets) / 30” pattern 272 (85%) / S/CV hits 3.6
Rem Hi-Velocity 3" 1 ¾ oz #5 lead (280 pellets) / 30” pattern 225 (80%) / S/CV hits 5.8
Win Hi-Velocity 3" 1 ¾ oz #5 lead (293 pellets) / 30” pattern 257 (88%) / S/CV hits 5.8
Win Long Beard 3" 1 ¾ oz #5 lead (305 pellets) / 30” pattern 295 (97%) / S/CV hits 11.0 / 10” pattern 118
Win Super-X 3" 1 7/8 oz #5 lead (317 pellets) / 30” pattern 276 (87%) / S/CV hits 3.4
Rem Premier 3" 2 oz #5 lead (328 pellets) / 30” pattern 258 (79%) / S/CV hits 3.4
Win XX Mag 3" 2 oz #5 lead (336 pellets) / 30” pattern 293 (87%) / S/CV hits 3.6

Hevi-13 3" 1 5/8 oz #6 Hevi-Shot (305 pellets) / 30” pattern 258 (85%) / S/CV hits 5.2
Rem Hevi-Shot 3" 1 5/8 oz #6 Hevi-Shot (381 pellets) / 30” pattern 341 (90%) / S/CV hits 6.6
Rem Wingmaster 3” 1 5/8 oz #6 Hvy Density (346 pellets) / 30” pattern 306 (88%) / S/CV hits 5.6
Win Hi-Density 3" 1 ¾ oz #6 Hi-Density (388 pellets) / 30” pattern 358 (92%) / S/CV hits 7.8

Fed Hvy Weight 3" 1 5/8 oz #5 Heavyweight (194 pellets) / 30” pattern 184 (95%) / S/CV hits 4.6
Hevi-13 3" 1 5/8 oz #5 Hevi-Shot (186 pellets) / 30” pattern 168 (90%) / S/CV hits 3.2
Rem Hevi-Shot 3" 1 5/8 oz #5 Hevi-Shot (280 pellets) / 30” pattern 240 (86%) / S/CV hits 5.2
Win Hi-Density 3" 1 ¾ oz #5 Hi-Density (284 pellets) / 30” pattern 262 (92%) / S/CV hits 4.8
Win Hi-Density 3 ½" 2 oz #5 Hi-Density (317 pellets) / 30” pattern 291 (92%) / S/CV hits 7.6

Fed Premium 3" 2 oz #4 lead (290 pellets) / 30” pattern 213 (73%) / S/CV hits 3.2
Rem Premier 3" 2 oz #4 lead (255 pellets) / 30” pattern 209 (82%) / S/CV hits 3.6
Win XX Mag 3" 2 oz #4 lead (258 pellets) / 30” pattern 243 (94%) / S/CV hits 4.6
Win Long Beard 3½" 2 oz #4 lead (255 pellets) / 30” pattern 247 (97%) / S/CV hits 11.6 / 10” pattern 126
Win XX Mag 3½" 2 ¼ oz #4 lead (300 pellets) / 30” pattern 242 (81%) / S/CV hits 4.2

Hope this helps, good luck!

Thanks Joe, appreciate that very much! That looks like a lot of sore shoulders, in addition to a hit to your wallet!! Obviously, would have loved to have seen a 3" Hevi-13, 2oz. #6, but hey....! 2 oz. of #6 is a lot of shot going down range. Like I said, there`s lots of stuff that will kill a turkey at 40 and in. Hell, if you can get them close enough you can kill them with a dove load! Those Winchester Longbeard loads are excellent too.

I bought two boxes of Hevi Steel #4's in 1-1/4 oz 1500 FPS 3 inch loads...........stone cold dead kills at 40 yards plus no problem. I'm glad I made the switch and at $17 bucks or less a box........it's an easy change. I have not shot the Hevi-Shot stuff as I refuse to pay that much for a box of shells, but for the money for Hevi Steel, I'll pull the trigger on Hevi Steel everytime.

I used to shoot nothing but federals for duck hunting........but I couldn't get the performance out of them that I was looking for, I also pulled the trigger on the Hevi Steel/Hevi Shot choke tube in Mid Range distance.........hammers em!!!!!! Call me a fanboy, but I like them, and they work.

Aside from their unethical marketing practices, the real 12 gr./cm^3 stuff kills ducks & geese at greater distances than I ever killed them with lead & I have some guns that will reach out & touch pretty good with lead. 40 yds. is decoy fodder! Bismuth will knock 'em dead up to at least 60 yds.. I don't want any watered down Hevi Shot. There are other folks that make tungsten alloy shot, as most of you know! Velocity helps but it runs out. The name of the game with long range shotgun pellets is DENSITY!

"unethical marketing practices"

please explain I'm lost on this statement, I really am.

Okay. Let's say you buy a new pair of Nike tennis shoes and like them very much. But, shoes wear out so next year you need to buy a new pair.

You go to the store to buy the same Nike tennis shoes you like so much. When you get to the store you find a box of shoes in your size and buy them.

But when you get home, you find out Nike changed the formula from last year. This year the Nike shoes you just bought, that look just like the ones you had last year, same box even, came without laces and soles. At least the shoe box is pretty.

They don’t list the actual density of the shot and make up names that sound like they are using denser than lead shot when it’s actually steel. Also they change composition of shot and maybe change the name slightly with no way for the consumer to tell what changed.

If they simply listed the shot type and density I believe most people would have no issue with them, but they don’t. Instead they use confusing names which don’t allow the consumer to easily discern what they are buying.

what's hard to understand about "steel shot" and or "bismuth" shot..........everything is labeled clear as day on a box of hevi shot, I shoot hevi steel anyways.........stuff works......folds em hard. I did get a new box of Migra to give a try too, that's a mixed shot load 2/4 1-1/4 oz at 1500 FPS in a 3 inch load........apparently this stuff crushes birds as well, we will see.

Your age is showing Gdub41. You must have born right around the turn of the century or if your are earlier vintage you might be unaware of the history of the Hevi- brand label.

Hevi-Shot was originally 12/grams per a cubic centimeter, which is denser than lead, and at the time of its conseption was potentially the tightest patterning shot material available. It won records at turkey shoots. It was one heck of a running shoe.

Now they still sell boxes labeled running shoes but their running shoes don't come with laces or soles to them. Well what the heck is a pair of running shoes without soles worth? Might as well buy the cheaper regular sneakers, which is all Hevi sells now, despite their reputation of being better than lead shot.

I used to whack ringnecks and mallards alike with a mere 7//8oz of 12g/cc Hevi-shot nickle,tungsten, iron 12g/cc size #6. Loaded it in 28ga.. It is as good as any load of #2 steel shot, even on par with a 1-9/16oz ten gauge load of #2 steel. . But their new Hevi-brand andloading shot is only 11g/cc. Might as well just handload almost as effective 9.6 g/ cc bismuth shot at about 1/2 the cost.

It's nothing personal. It's just economics.

And they STILL have shills coming on forums hawking their junk.

maybe your shooting skills have just diminished, so that you need more shot, I don't know I'm 36 it says steel, I shoot the steel shots, I kill ducks with it, $14.99 a box, works for me.