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 Post subject: Re: hunting public land
PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:13 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: hunting public land
PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:20 pm 
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well if the grandpa and the kids show up at 2am and the guide who brushed it up gets pissed showing up 3 hours later.....

I can't comprehend paying a 'guide' to hunt public land. duck hunting is not rocket science. you're either where they want to be or you're not.

I'd also suggest EVERY state needs to adopt rules prohibiting guiding on public lands.

Lastly I think the idea of brushing a public blind and expecting to sleep in while everyone else passes it by is silly. Whoever wants it the most is gonna get it. We've been dealing with a younger group hunting our main spot this year. sucks but what it comes down to is they are willing to get up earlier than us. The older I get the more I want to be set up about 15 min before legal.

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 Post subject: Re: hunting public land
PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:41 am 
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Oklahoma had a law that you could not set up closer than 300 yards to another group.


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 Post subject: Re: hunting public land
PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:12 am 
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ok, so what if he wasn't a guide, just another hunting party, does it change anything?

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 Post subject: Re: hunting public land
PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:32 am 
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No, it's still first come/first served on public land. But the ill will would be lessened if the party weren't commercial....IMO.

When I lived in Southern California, I frequently (10 times a year) hunted a public area along the Colorado River. Several of us built permanent blinds (perfectly legal) in our favorite spots. We'd go out the evening before we were going to hunt, and put out our decoy spreads....both to save time in the morning and to "lock up" the blinds so no one else would beat us to them. Was it ethical? Probably not if you were one of the "others", but it was tradition for many, many years in this area and almost everyone knew what it meant and respected it.
On more than one occasion, we'd idle the boat up to the blinds 15 minutes before shoot time only to find someone new to the area sitting in the blind. After explaining that those were our decoys deployed 10 yards in front of them, most of the time they'd see the logic in moving to another spot and putting out their own decoys.
Once or twice, however, the squatters would claim that they were "there first" and refuse to leave. While this never happened to me, it happened to good friends twice. Fine men that they were, they left their decoys, and "their" blinds (they had built them) and went to another spot. They were better men than I, gunga din.
If it had happened to me, I would have said, "Okay, I'll pick up my decoys then".... and at exactly legal shoot time, I would have started picking up and it would have taken a good three or four hours to finish the job.


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 Post subject: Re: hunting public land
PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:34 am 
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brookie wrote:
ok, so what if he wasn't a guide, just another hunting party, does it change anything?


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 Post subject: Re: hunting public land
PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:49 pm 
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mudpack wrote:
"Okay, I'll pick up my decoys then".... and at exactly legal shoot time, I would have started picking up and it would have taken a good three or four hours to finish the job.


You must hunt with some rude folks in your area, if I found your decoys over a spot in public water and no one attending them, I would pull them up and delicately place them on the shore.......over yonder somewhere.....

Honestly, and this isn't just for you Mudpack, if you don't have the sack to a) get up early enough to secure your spot or b) spend the night over the decoys, don't leave them out overnight and expect anyone to honor the "this seat taken" sign on public water.


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 Post subject: Re: hunting public land
PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:26 pm 
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I just don’t understand how some hunters think.


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 Post subject: Re: hunting public land
PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:35 pm 
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elvez wrote:
mudpack wrote:
"Okay, I'll pick up my decoys then".... and at exactly legal shoot time, I would have started picking up and it would have taken a good three or four hours to finish the job.


You must hunt with some rude folks in your area, if I found your decoys over a spot in public water and no one attending them, I would pull them up and delicately place them on the shore.......over yonder somewhere.....

Honestly, and this isn't just for you Mudpack, if you don't have the sack to a) get up early enough to secure your spot or b) spend the night over the decoys, don't leave them out overnight and expect anyone to honor the "this seat taken" sign on public water.


I’ll second that. That “seat taken” move would not be tolerated where I hunt. If we want “the spot”, we get up early and beat everyone there.


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 Post subject: Re: hunting public land
PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:29 am 
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RPD63 wrote:
I’ll second that. That “seat taken” move would not be tolerated where I hunt. If we want “the spot”, we get up early and beat everyone there.

Actually we DID beat everyone there....by about 15 hours.
As I said, it might not be considered kosher everywhere, but it was tradition at the area. I forgot to mention that after we put out our decoys in front of our blinds, we camped about a mile away (by boat). So, while we were not in the blind all night, we were close by and it was obvious what was going on, even to a new-comer.
If we'd boated to the blind the day before and found a spread of decoys already in front of it, and the decoy's owners were camped close by, then we'd have gone on and found another spot. It worked both ways.

By the way, if you'd picked up my decoys and moved them "over yonder' somewhere, you've have found yourself talking to the sheriff's deputy and/or the Federal game warden in the area...in short order....discussing several charges I'd have been happy to press. In all honesty, though, I don't think you'd actually have done that; you're too smart.


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 Post subject: Re: hunting public land
PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:40 pm 
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MP, I won't drop this down to calling names (you big sissy) but if someone called the CPO on me because I moved their decoys onto the shore since they weren't sitting on them that morning, I would probably tell the CPO that I got one caught up in my prop and in order to save another boater from a navigational hazard, I moved them. I would also ask the CPO what kind of a sissy leaves their decoys out overnight to avoid having to get up early? I got up early enough to set a rig, wonder why this big sissy didn't.

The whole "leaving the rig out overnight" play reminds me of a soccer mom unfolding a blanket out along the Halloween Parade route the night before and expecting people to honor it the day of the big event. It's especially applicable since she lives in a house only a mile away. Gimme a break.


....and no one has ever accused me of being too smart. Too good looking, wealthy and endowed but smart?....Never....

Hope you're shooting ducks, all our water is frozen for the foreseeable future.


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 Post subject: Re: hunting public land
PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:15 pm 
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In Iowa on Public land it’s against the law to leave Decoys out overnight. It’s also first come first serve. Come hunt the Mississippi River in Northeast Iowa you will never run out of places to hunt.
Just for fun I hunted a different location every day one whole season and hunted a lot of nice spots.
Do some looking around you will find some great places without competition. Good Hunting.


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 Post subject: Re: hunting public land
PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:46 am 
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mudpack wrote:
RPD63 wrote:
I’ll second that. That “seat taken” move would not be tolerated where I hunt. If we want “the spot”, we get up early and beat everyone there.

Actually we DID beat everyone there....by about 15 hours.
As I said, it might not be considered kosher everywhere, but it was tradition at the area. I forgot to mention that after we put out our decoys in front of our blinds, we camped about a mile away (by boat). So, while we were not in the blind all night, we were close by and it was obvious what was going on, even to a new-comer.
If we'd boated to the blind the day before and found a spread of decoys already in front of it, and the decoy's owners were camped close by, then we'd have gone on and found another spot. It worked both ways.

By the way, if you'd picked up my decoys and moved them "over yonder' somewhere, you've have found yourself talking to the sheriff's deputy and/or the Federal game warden in the area...in short order....discussing several charges I'd have been happy to press. In all honesty, though, I don't think you'd actually have done that; you're too smart.


Possession is 9/10s of the law. You weren’t there, your decoys don’t count.
Sleep in the blind next time! :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: hunting public land
PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:43 am 
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1100 Remington Man wrote:
Do some looking around you will find some great places without competition. Good Hunting.


Maybe in Iowa, but in South Louisiana you most certainly will not.


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 Post subject: Re: hunting public land
PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:48 pm 
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Unattended dekes are illegal in Idaho, too.
When I moved here in the 80's I did all my hunting except deer, within 40 minutes of my house. Mostly on the river west of town. Eventually, I was getting to a spot at what I thought was very early, and I'd find 2-3 rigs that had been there long enough for the windows to re-freeze. Those guys really wanted that spot. I don't think I ever went back to that put in.


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 Post subject: Re: hunting public land
PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:41 am 
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if you leave decoys out overnight, isnt it classed as littering? i`m surprised they were not stolen.


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 Post subject: Re: hunting public land
PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 10:20 am 
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The reality is it's public land so we all own it, which means whoever is in the blind at shooting time well it's theirs, case closed -- regardless of how many dumb lanterns you hang on it :) Now that said, if I sit in a blind at say 2AM with my buddy and gramps shows up with 2 grand kids 10 mins before shooting time I wouldn't have the heart to say "out of luck". I'd say "enjoy the time w/ yr grand kids" and I'd either go somewhere else or hit a diner for a hot breakfast knowing they're enjoying a special time they might remember for the rest of their lives. There are many ways your hunt can qualify as a "success".... Beside, the spot you go to next might actually be the real hot spot who knows...

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 Post subject: Re: hunting public land
PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:36 pm 
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Oldman1949 wrote:
I think if I had to go back to hunting public land I would quit hunting . I enjoy waterfowl hunting way to much and dealing with Jackwagons ruins it for me .
The biggest problem with public land is the part that says public .


Feel the same way regarding my turkey hunting, I`m sorry to say.

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 Post subject: Re: hunting public land
PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:53 pm 
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Permanent blinds are illegal on federal land USFS/BLM. Unless the District ranger writes a special rule. Never heard of one? A temporary blind can be set for a short time 7 days etc. But it is still 1st come has the right to use it.

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 Post subject: Re: hunting public land
PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 10:37 pm 
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In WI permanent blinds are not allowed on public land. You can build a blind, but it has to have your name and address on it, and it has to be removed by the end of the season which is a real pain in the arse because you don't know when the water will freeze. If there is one inch of ice, can't walk on it, can't boat on it.

Most guys on public land around here just pull their small boat into the catails or use a boat blind.There is one bay I hunt that is real popular on weekends because the ducks and geese use it and it is easy access. I usually hunt it weekdays. A friend of mine has property on the water so I can launch at his place, but most everybody else uses the public launch that I gotta drive by to get to my friends house. When I launch usually there are no cars at the public launch. If somebody is at the launch when I'm going by I'll stop to say hello, tell them I'm going out too, and ask where they plan to hunt so I can plan around it and it's not a race to see who can get to the best spots first.

Last week i was out in this bay with two guys set up about 300 yards away from me. A flock of five mallards and about eight ringnecks came by a good ways up there and I called them down, I think. The other guys did not call anyways. Maybe they did not see the birds or maybe the birds were just really tired. They came circling down and the mallards split up into two pairs and a single. The one pair of mallards landed 50 yards away from me, flying by just out of range. The other pair of mallards landed between me and the other guys, and the single mallard and eight or so ringnecks tried to land in the other guys' blocks. They shot a mallard and three ringnecks. Did not get a shot myself, but I had a blast watching those birds working down. Good thing it wasn't a bunch of skyblasting kids 300 yards away from me.



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