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 Post subject: Bismuth and my Bss
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:10 pm 
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Looking to find a bismuth load that is not too heavy on recoil... I find the factory stuff too strong for my liking .. does anyone have any suggestions or recipes ? thanks




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 Post subject: Re: Bismuth and my Bss
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:49 pm 
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What gauge is your BSS and what payload / velocity are you looking for?

In 12 gauge, the Kent B12U30-5, 6 12G 2 3/4″ Max 1325 1 1/16 oz. 5, 6 is no kicker. Have you tried them?

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 Post subject: Re: Bismuth and my Bss
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:30 pm 
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12 gauge...I've shot their 1 1/4 oz I find it too strong


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 Post subject: Re: Bismuth and my Bss
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:01 pm 
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greenhornet wrote:
12 gauge...I've shot their 1 1/4 oz I find it too strong


I'm not referring to an 1-1/4 oz. load, nor a 1-1/8 oz. load . . . this is 1-1/16th oz.

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 Post subject: Re: Bismuth and my Bss
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:39 pm 
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Do you think that load would have noticeably less recoil than 1 1/4 oz that I was shooting at 1350 speed ?


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 Post subject: Re: Bismuth and my Bss
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:36 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Bismuth and my Bss
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 5:19 pm 
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You think that load will have enough energy to hit the big Ducks "redheads" and "cavasbacks" on big ?


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 Post subject: Re: Bismuth and my Bss
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 5:44 pm 
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greenhornet wrote:
You think that load will have enough energy to hit the big Ducks "redheads" and "cavasbacks" on big ?


I'm not sure what you said, exactly, but I have no idea how any load might pattern out of your BSS.

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 Post subject: Re: Bismuth and my Bss
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:09 pm 
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What I'm trying to find out is if this load has enough energy or killing power to kill a duck at 30- 35 yards with the fixed mod or full choke


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 Post subject: Re: Bismuth and my Bss
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:50 pm 
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greenhornet wrote:
What I'm trying to find out is if this load has enough energy or killing power to kill a duck at 30- 35 yards with the fixed mod or full choke


Ducks are being killed successfully with 7/8, 1, and 1 1/8 ounce loads of steel shot. I would think a 1 1/16 ounce load of bismuth will kill ducks at reasonable ranges. You will need to see how your gun patterns at 30-35 yards.

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 Post subject: Re: Bismuth and my Bss
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:08 pm 
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noweil wrote:
greenhornet wrote:
What I'm trying to find out is if this load has enough energy or killing power to kill a duck at 30- 35 yards with the fixed mod or full choke


Ducks are being killed successfully with 7/8, 1, and 1 1/8 ounce loads of steel shot. I would think a 1 1/16 ounce load of bismuth will kill ducks at reasonable ranges. You will need to see how your gun patterns at 30-35 yards.

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 Post subject: Re: Bismuth and my Bss
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:46 pm 
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I assume you are not reloading. You can also reduce the velocity, which can help reduce recoil. I have killed ducks with #5 bismuth at over 40 yds. with loads less than 1300 fps. & mallards with #4 bismuth, but at 35 yds., I doubt you would notice a difference. I am not familiar with the velocity offerings in factory ammo but as stated above, you don't need 1 1/4 oz. loads at 35 yds..


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 Post subject: Re: Bismuth and my Bss
PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:48 pm 
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geometric wrote:
I assume you are not reloading. You can also reduce the velocity, which can help reduce recoil. I have killed ducks with #5 bismuth at over 40 yds. with loads less than 1300 fps. & mallards with #4 bismuth, but at 35 yds., I doubt you would notice a difference. I am not familiar with the velocity offerings in factory ammo but as stated above, you don't need 1 1/4 oz. loads at 35 yds..


Yes I'm thinking about reloading but was hoping to find some Factory bismuth with a little less recoil than the factory bismuth 1 1/4.. I'm shooting out of the BSS now


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 Post subject: Re: Bismuth and my Bss
PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:15 am 
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I wish I knew how to help but other than what has already been suggested, I don't know what to say other than recoil sometimes seems to defy logic. I have, on numerous occasions had different loads that had the same velocity & the same weight payload, at least they were supposed to be the same, to display far different recoil characteristics. One 3.5" mag. 10 ga. buckshot load (Federal Premium) that I shoot with 18, "OO" buck is a very pleasant soft shooting load. Relatively, all 10 ga. magnum loads kick but this one shoots nice for me! Also, I still have some of the old bismuth #2 loaded by Winchester years ago. They don't say what the velocity is, just max. load & 1 7/8 oz.. They kill very well & I never noticed any excessive recoil. I have shot 1 5/8 oz., 10 ga., Hevi Shot, hand loads that can only be described as brutal! If any of your buddies shoot bismuth, talk to them or post on another Duck Hunting site & get opinions & try to sample other loads if you can. It will be much easier to find the right load once you start reloading!


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 Post subject: Re: Bismuth and my Bss
PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:58 am 
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Kent has some new 12 gauge loads that are 1 1/16 ounces. You may also want to consider some sort of recoil reducer - I think there are some weighted spring type systems that can be installed in the butt stock.

You can also consider getting 20 gauge sleeves and shoot 20 gauge loads.

Waterfowl need and deserve the deadliest loads you can shoot...

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 Post subject: Re: Bismuth and my Bss
PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:19 am 
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Nice pics!


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 Post subject: Re: Bismuth and my Bss
PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:05 pm 
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Rubberhead wrote:
Kent has some new 12 gauge loads that are 1 1/16 ounces. You may also want to consider some sort of recoil reducer - I think there are some weighted spring type systems that can be installed in the butt stock.

You can also consider getting 20 gauge sleeves and shoot 20 gauge loads.

Waterfowl need and deserve the deadliest loads you can shoot...

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what are the specs of the shell you shooting in your picture ?


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 Post subject: Re: Bismuth and my Bss
PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:52 pm 
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greenhornet wrote:
what are the specs of the shell you shooting in your picture ?


They're pretty stout - 1¼ ounce at 1,400 fps in a 2¾" shell...

The were BisMaxx brand which I think was a one-run loading done by Dunns. They weren't terrible - way better than the early bismuth but not as good, I don't think, as the new Kent Bismuth loads.


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 Post subject: Re: Bismuth and my Bss
PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:59 pm 
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I love waterfowling with old guns so I have shot a lot of the soft non-toxic loads over the years. Kent Impact loads are head-and-shoulders above anything else but are almost impossible to find anymore and terribly expensive. When it comes down to it, I have as much confidence in modern, high-speed steel as I do in any soft non-toxic load so I've had steel-compatible tubes put in my 12 gauge BSS and 1956 Sweet Sixteen and shoot steel in both now.

Here's some of the stuff I've tried over the years...

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 Post subject: Re: Bismuth and my Bss
PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:02 pm 
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Rubberhead wrote:
I love waterfowling with old guns so I have shot a lot of the soft non-toxic loads over the years. Kent Impact loads are head-and-shoulders above anything else but are almost impossible to find anymore and terribly expensive. When it comes down to it, I have as much confidence in modern, high-speed steel as I do in any soft non-toxic load so I've had steel-compatible tubes put in my 12 gauge BSS and 1956 Sweet Sixteen and shoot steel in both now.

Here's some of the stuff I've tried over the years...

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Very nice I pretty much have all those loads myself




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