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 Post subject: Re: 16 GA. ON WILD PHEASANTS
PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:06 pm 
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I like a hammer gun too; one that really “hammers” those roosters at distance



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 Post subject: Re: 16 GA. ON WILD PHEASANTS
PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:16 pm 
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I take it you are a big Semi-Auto 12 gauge fan!

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 Post subject: Re: 16 GA. ON WILD PHEASANTS
PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:25 pm 
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Or a 20 ga 3”. Makes me no difference

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 Post subject: Re: 16 GA. ON WILD PHEASANTS
PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:23 pm 
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Frank Woolner recommended a model 59 win sans the forearm! My two favorite grouse guns were a Browning Superposed lightening 12ga and a Remington 1100 20ga LT.

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 Post subject: Re: 16 GA. ON WILD PHEASANTS
PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:52 am 
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No doubt about it Woolner was not a traditional type hunter. Many a young Sportsman who read his books followed his advise and used the Semi-Auto guns to bird hunt. I had an 1100 Rem that I used for Duck hunting and some Pheasant hunting in Lancaster County, Pa for a few years, my best friend likes the Semi-Auto and pump guns. I gave him a 16 gauge Rem Model 58 for Christmas one year, he loves the old gun for Pheasant hunting. I have been a traditional type bird hunter all my life and stay with the SXS double guns pretty much, for most all my upland hunting. Each to his own.

We do a lot of teasing here in our mountains, about men who use non-traditional guns to Grouse hunt. Just part of our way of life.

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 Post subject: Re: 16 GA. ON WILD PHEASANTS
PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:29 pm 
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All my shotguns are & have always been SXS, DT guns with one exception. I don't attempt to tell anybody what to shoot but that is what works for me! I was bitten by the jamomatic bug in high school & bought one. That urge wore off in less than 2 weeks & I sold it. That was the only exception to my SXS shooting history. Is a 16 ga. enough gun for pheasant? Sure, I don't know why anybody would doubt that. I like Randy. He is a good guy & we agree on most things but not all things. I killed my first pheasant with my sxs .410 in the late 50's in Wash. state. I also killed a fair amount of pheasants in California when I was stationed at NAS Lemoore between Vietnam deployments. I also loved to hunt valley quail when I was stationed in NAS Miramar. I had my 20 ga. Elsie in Miramar, I had a Bernardelli when hunting pheasant in Lemoore, both 2 3/4 chambered 20 ga. guns. More recently, I have been hunting in N. Dakota. I think a lot depends on the type of shooting you are getting & how you are using your chosen weapon. Yes, there were days in N.D. I was glad I had a full choked 12 ga. but I never felt undergunned with a 2 3/4" 20. I don't doubt the 3" 20 can be effective & put to good use. Two of my 4, 20 ga. SXS's have 3" chambers. The newest has never fired a 3" shell. My old Stevens was bored to 3" & I shot about half a dozen 3" shells through it back in the 80's but haven't had any desire to shoot any since then. My 20 ga. load is primarily 7/8 oz., which has taken plenty of ducks before the steel shot era. Two guns I always wanted & will probably never own are a SXS 16GA. & a SXS 28ga.. Who says you can't load a magnum 16 ga. shell? You can but I have no idea why anybody would want to! The shooting & handling qualities of a gun encompass far more than just the amount of lead coming out of the bore.





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 Post subject: Re: 16 GA. ON WILD PHEASANTS
PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:44 am 
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I don't get to hunt wild pheasant as much as I would like, but when I do, I am carrying a 16 gauge shooting 1-1/8 ounces of nickel plated shot. I don't even own a 12 gauge upland gun anymore. I also don't use 3-1/2" loads for waterfowl, even though some people swear by them.


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 Post subject: Re: 16 GA. ON WILD PHEASANTS
PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:37 pm 
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stubblejumper wrote:
I also don't use 3-1/2" loads for waterfowl, even though some people swear by them.


Same here, I will never use 3 1/2", not even for turkey.

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 Post subject: Re: 16 GA. ON WILD PHEASANTS
PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:15 pm 
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When I was growing up in Ohio in the 60’s, I went hunting with my great uncle and my father. My great uncle would use either a 16 ga s/s or a Winchester Model 12 20 ga, my father used a Browning Auto 5 12 ga and I would use a Mossberg bolt action 20 ga. We would all fill our limit of pheasants.


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 Post subject: Re: 16 GA. ON WILD PHEASANTS
PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:08 pm 
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When I was a kid and hunted wild pheasants, the only gun I had was a 16 gauge with a fixed modified choke. I used that for everything I hunted from rabbits to geese.

For pheasants I always used 1 1/4 oz loads of #5 shot. I don't think anyone makes 1 1/4 oz 16 gauge loads anymore. That's a shame.


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 Post subject: Re: 16 GA. ON WILD PHEASANTS
PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:33 am 
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#5 was always my favorite shot size for pheasants, ducks, etc. Hard to find now.

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 Post subject: Re: 16 GA. ON WILD PHEASANTS
PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2020 2:08 pm 
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Got to admit I used a lot of 1 1/4, 16 gauge shells also, they were definitely good shells. Now with the new RST & Poly SpredR's I order them from Lion County by the case, and get free shipping right to my door in the back woods of Potter/Tioga, Pa. You just can't beat that for a 16 gauge shell.

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16 gauge L.C. Smith Hammer Gun for Grouse & Woodcock hunting, the SpredR shells work great in the old guns.
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 Post subject: Re: 16 GA. ON WILD PHEASANTS
PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:49 pm 
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I reload everything. PolySpredr's open things up more than Pc Post wads. The PC Post wads have been good for the amount of spread I was looking for in the past. I do shoot 3.5" guns but not in 12 ga. & I don't shoot steel. I can't shoot my vintage L.C. Smith 10 ga. on a state draw hunt with 1 1/4 oz. of bismuth but it is legal to shoot a 3.5" 12 ga. with whatever can be crammed in those things! The Elsie is a great duck gun & has 2 7/8" chambers. My 3.5" 10's are mostly used for geese but they are also great duck guns with the lighter loadings (two Berettas & a Ugartechia). The Ugy is light for a 10 so 1 5/8 oz is the heaviest load I generally shoot in it. I have killed deer with buckshot in the 10 but no longer have that gun but did kill a turkey with one of the Berettas. Actually, I shoot my 20's more than my bigger guns. 5 are Elsies & I have a Merkel SLE in 2 3/4" 12 ga.. That has been my pheasant gun lately. I shoot Hevi Shot in a DeHann SO & so far it is holding up fine.
Speaking of "Lion Country", if anybody hasn't read their articles on double guns, they are really worth reading. I think they are still on their web site. I would love to go on one of their bird hunts. There was a guy from California that was known as, "The L.C. Smith Man". I hope he is still with us. I am not sure but I want to say Walt Schiessl was his name. Seems nobody has heard from him in recent years. He sold & dealt in LC Smith shotguns.
Oh yea! The 16 ga.,I don't need any more guns but I really want a 16 ga. SXS but first I have to save some money! Good luck everybody!!


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 Post subject: Re: 16 GA. ON WILD PHEASANTS
PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:23 pm 
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As I stated earlier, if you can find a Philadelphia Fox graded 16, then you will have found the Holy Grail

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 Post subject: Re: 16 GA. ON WILD PHEASANTS
PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:42 pm 
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My good friend Walt Scheissl (L.C. Smith Man) passed way this last year. He ask me to use his L.C. Smith Man moniker to keep it alive, I am doing so, in his memory.

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 Post subject: Re: 16 GA. ON WILD PHEASANTS
PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2020 1:10 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: 16 GA. ON WILD PHEASANTS
PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2020 1:12 pm 
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My good friend and hunting partner has a real nice 16 gauge Fox gun, I have to admit for a Box Lock double gun they do not get any better!

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Ken Grafts Holy Grail Fox 16 gauge double gun. One serious Grouse gun.
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 Post subject: Re: 16 GA. ON WILD PHEASANTS
PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:17 am 
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870-LEFTY wrote:
Anyone use the 16ga. on wild pheasants in places like S.D., N.D., Kansas? If so, what loads & chokes do you use, especially in an O/U or SxS? Is it enough gun or is a 12ga. better?

We lived in Salina back in the mid 60's.
My brother used a Stevens Savage 94C in 16 ga.
Full choke.
I think he just used whatever Dad would get.
He's not too picky, but that gun still does ok by him.


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 Post subject: Re: 16 GA. ON WILD PHEASANTS
PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:26 pm 
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Got to hunt Kansas (Pretty Prairie) 4 years straight back in the mid-90's. Used an A-5 Sweet-16 with a Mod choke loaded with copper plated 7 1/2's. Tumble those rooster a$$ over T-cup out to 40 yds without any trouble and were still great for not tearing up the Bobs at closer ranges. The 16ga. is a mighty fine gauge in my opinion. Was in my mid-30's and a AA skeet shooter at the time, if you put the pattern on target it don't matter what the pattern comes out of, be it 10ga. to .410!!! 1cas


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 Post subject: Re: 16 GA. ON WILD PHEASANTS
PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:57 am 
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Save your money buddy, and purchase an early pre 13 L.C. Smith 16 gauge double gun. You can usually pick up a double 0 gun for reasonable money. GI usually has a least one listed all the time. I highly recommend the high grade L.C. Smith double guns, especially the pre 1913 stuff. Got to tell ya you really have not had a fine Grouse Gun until you have owned a nice pre 13, 16 gauge L.C. Smith, most times for around $2,200 and up. For around $1000.00 - $1,500 you can own a serious post 13 classic American 16 gauge L.C. Smith with great balance, that swings well and handles just fantastically in the woods or fields.

Pictured below - There is a 1931 Field Grade 16 gauge L.C. Smith on GI right now for $1,250. Gun looks to be in very good shape, seller in Pa. Real nice gun for the money.

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Carlson out of Alabama has a nice 1941 Field Grade listed on GI also $1050.00 gun is in real good shape.

I just picked up another pre 13, 20 gauge myself. I love both the 16 and 20 gauge guns. Use the RST or Poly SpredR shells in the old guns they make great bird killing patterns.

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Pre 13 L.C. Smith 20 gauge.

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