ShotGunWorld Shotguns

It is currently Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:06 am

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 61 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:12 pm 
Limited Edition

Joined: Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:44 pm
Posts: 304
A tower "hunt" is very challenging with released birds? Really? Are the "hunters" blindfolded?

Europeans can have it. I'd rather go hunting with my dog.




Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:32 pm 
Crown Grade
User avatar

Joined: Sat May 07, 2011 8:17 am
Posts: 2650
Location: Piedmont North Carolina
nshepherd wrote:
A tower "hunt" is very challenging with released birds? Really? Are the "hunters" blindfolded?

Europeans can have it. I'd rather go hunting with my dog.


It's too bad that you're not willing to try a tower shoot before dismissing it as not very challenging. It's much harder for even accomplished shots to bring down high birds with a tail wind than anything over a point (which I love too and am not demeaning). Several of us use our dogs for retrieving and then take them in the woods after the shoot to pick up dead birds and shoot a few survivors over points. Having over 22k birds in my journal, I'm very familiar with all the ways they can be taken and see nothing unsporting about a well put together tower shoot. Naturally we dog guys prefer wild birds but this fills a void when that isn't possible for whatever reason. I respect everyone's right to choose but can't help thinking you and your dog are missing a very good time.

_________________
"I'll take mine in Caroline" - Havilah Babcock


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 11:34 am 
Utility Grade

Joined: Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:25 am
Posts: 6
"I'D RATHER GO HUNTING WITH MY DOG"
ABSOLUTELY,AND I AGREE WITH 'OLDBIRDHNTR' ABOUT THE CHALLENGE OF SHARPENING YOUR TALENT AND OPTIMIZING SKILLS OF GUN AND SPORT TO REWARD OUR DOGS IN THE HUNT.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 8:09 am 
Tournament Grade

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:19 pm
Posts: 296
I go several times a season to a nearby preserve with friends to hunt over dogs. We hunt mostly chukar and quail and the occasional pheasant. They also offer tower shoots , although I have never participated in one. As was stated above , there are usually around 20 participants. One morning , there was a tower shoot going on while we were hunting in a nearby field. Our guide told us to be aware of the adjacent treeline as several birds would escape and most likely head our way. There was a lot of shooting going on. We saw several birds come over the trees very high , but only managed to bag one. Our guide also told us to keep an eye out for the "money bird". He said in the "old days" , they used to release a white pheasant at random and whoever killed it would get the "pot". Nowadays , he says they tie a piece of landscaping ribbon to its leg. He said sometimes the arguing gets pretty heated over who actually shot the bird. I would say a heavy 20 gauge load would do the job , but I would go with a 12 just to be sure. Now , what would be neat is if they would hold an all double barreled shoot , or a vintage shoot.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 9:35 am 
Crown Grade

Joined: Tue Dec 27, 2011 5:50 pm
Posts: 2570
Location: SE Ohio...where ruffed grouse were
A Tower Shoot is a draw for some folks...always will be.
Especially in areas where wild bird opportunities are gone, reduced or require a Gazeteer and Superslab to access.
At times, those shoots may be for some folks who are challenged, either as regards Time or physical issues that makes hunting less possible.
Maybe, they are often only opportunities to imagined a driven bird shoot or a sound reason to use a fine scattergun.
Many reasons, I reckon but any imagined challenge or sport or difficulty is likely related to the shoot boss and his layout and mindset.

Any ethics would be best viewed in any escaped :roll: or most certainly, wounded bird numbers.....but those numbers can always be explained or justified and the validity of each is based upon which end of the stick one holds....and again, always will be.

"Challenging", when used with live birds, seems the worst reason to participate in the canned event to me as challenging can be found with the more difficult clay games w/o the potential downsides.
As well, not all live birds are challenging so that is a p-poor reason to tap a trigger on a live bird....slippery slope that.
Woodcock tired from migration are far from challenging and a Preserve pheasant swatted before his landing gear is raised....pretty unchallenging.
The challenge as a good reason, much like raising money or attention in RGS ruffed grouse hunting contests,....bad idea that kids love.

Sadly, this perennial message board issue normally comes down to the silly idea of supporting fellow hunters or shooters as Job #1, rather than to looking at the practice in the light of reality....or, to realizing it's existence is to further the income to an organization.

I suspect that tower shoots can be carried out well and that they can also be an example of the worst in individual attitude and decision.
Let's simply hope we each never have to defend the worst in attitude and decision to those just looking for a crack in the wall.
That could make a tower shoot "challenging" to those forced to explain and that is unfair and, perhaps, selfish....certainly, self-focused.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 10:28 am 
Utility Grade

Joined: Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:25 am
Posts: 6
{hs# Kind of like a religion isn't it?


Last edited by Sgt. Rock on Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:53 am, edited 3 times in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:10 am 
*Proud to be a*
*Proud to be a*
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:57 pm
Posts: 5190
Location: SW Georgia
Multiflora wrote:
A Tower Shoot is a draw for some folks...always will be.
Especially in areas where wild bird opportunities are gone, reduced or require a Gazeteer and Superslab to access.
At times, those shoots may be for some folks who are challenged, either as regards Time or physical issues that makes hunting less possible.
Maybe, they are often only opportunities to imagined a driven bird shoot or a sound reason to use a fine scattergun.
Many reasons, I reckon but any imagined challenge or sport or difficulty is likely related to the shoot boss and his layout and mindset.

Any ethics would be best viewed in any escaped :roll: or most certainly, wounded bird numbers.....but those numbers can always be explained or justified and the validity of each is based upon which end of the stick one holds....and again, always will be.

"Challenging", when used with live birds, seems the worst reason to participate in the canned event to me as challenging can be found with the more difficult clay games w/o the potential downsides.
As well, not all live birds are challenging so that is a p-poor reason to tap a trigger on a live bird....slippery slope that.
Woodcock tired from migration are far from challenging and a Preserve pheasant swatted before his landing gear is raised....pretty unchallenging.
The challenge as a good reason, much like raising money or attention in RGS ruffed grouse hunting contests,....bad idea that kids love.

Sadly, this perennial message board issue normally comes down to the silly idea of supporting fellow hunters or shooters as Job #1, rather than to looking at the practice in the light of reality....or, to realizing it's existence is to further the income to an organization.

I suspect that tower shoots can be carried out well and that they can also be an example of the worst in individual attitude and decision.
Let's simply hope we each never have to defend the worst in attitude and decision to those just looking for a crack in the wall.
That could make a tower shoot "challenging" to those forced to explain and that is unfair and, perhaps, selfish....certainly, self-focused.

^ What !?

_________________
John
USAF 1970-1990 (Ret)
Texas A&M '69
Gig 'Em Aggies!
Boosting the numbers with every post

What happens at Alger Flats stays at Alger Flats!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 1:39 pm 
Crown Grade

Joined: Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:57 pm
Posts: 2540
Location: Calif, long beach
I thought this is kind a UN sportsman like thing at first, Like the Argentina dove hunts, did some research though before I said anything. Like the Argentina dove hunts, there are good reasons to offer and go shoot these kinds of things.

Argentina, the doves are a real problem, and if it wasn't for the guys going down there and shooting away, the birds would be poisoned along with all the other birds that live there. So more power to the guys going down there having fun.

The tower shoot is a way to get rid of the last of the pheasants for the year, they won’t last the rest of the year on their own, the birds will fight and kill each other in a pen, and some will be starved to death because other birds won’t let them eat. And if let loose would not make it and it attracts unwanted predators to the clubs.

Besides that, the investment the club owner has in getting these birds, and feeding them, the best way to recoup some of that is to hold these shoots. It’s not my cup of tea, either the Argentina thing or a tower shoot, but more power to those that enjoy it. I would like the idea of hunting up the ones that were missed with my dogs though.

So from what I saw, a 20 gauge would work just fine, but it is an excuse to go buy that nice 12 you have been looking at :lol:

Mike


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:35 am 
Diamond Grade

Joined: Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:59 am
Posts: 1152
Location: West Michigan
A Tower (or European) Shoot is just that. It is not a Hunt! And it is not intended to be a Hunt. If you think it is a hunt, you are misinformed.

That said, a well run Tower Shoot can make for a very pleasant day. It is best if you shoot with a group of friends or acquaintances with whom you are comfortable and can handle some some good natured kidding.

We genrally shoot in the morning then break for lunch. In the afternoon we have a clean-up "hunt" with our dogs and pretty much kill the birds that escaped the morning "shoot" and recover most of the cripples. In my own case, I make sure my dog and I are accompanied by at least one very good shooter (I am not). My dog, a Boykin, averages finding ten birds in roughly ninety minutes: flushing four or five and running down the others.

I view the day as a social event and thoroughly enjoy the experience. When I was younger, I looked down my nose at these things becuse I considered them unsporting. Times change: As do our viewpoints.

R.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:14 am 
Diamond Grade

Joined: Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:55 am
Posts: 1575
Location: NW Wyo
In the early 60's I was a kid and witnessed a tower shoot and the only shooter was a movie star. Sorry, his name escapes me but the details don't. He used a few hay bales as a blind and missed most of the ducks that flew over. It was a hot day and there was a chauffeur driven Rolls Royce parked behind the bales with AC and engine running. Inside the car was chauffeur and a women in furs. The movie star had a Lab that didn't retrieve very well and had to be coaxed. After what seemed like a long time, he loaded the dog and got into the car and the chauffeur drove away, sans ducks.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 9:19 pm 
Tournament Grade

Joined: Sun Sep 25, 2016 6:55 pm
Posts: 123
Location: Atlanta
On a 250 bird shoot, with 25 guns, how many times can you expect to shoot? I've got my first one Saturday. I've hunted behind dogs for 45 years, but never done a tower shoot.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:51 am 
Crown Grade
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:20 pm
Posts: 22985
Quote:
how many times can you expect to shoot?


That all depends - if you are standing in the hot spot, you might get a lot of shooting in; one reason they typically rotate positions - same for high driven pheasant (which is what the tower shoot is trying to replicate)

_________________
The bitterness of poor quality is remembered long after the sweetness of low price has faded from memory, Aldo Gucci

Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience, George Carlin


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:49 pm 
Presentation Grade

Joined: Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:06 am
Posts: 948
Location: Upstate SC
On the one I went to a couple years ago, they gave us two boxes of shells each - I used exactly one box (one could get more if needed). I bagged 7 outright, and me and my "pegmate" collaborated on 3 or 4. It was definitely a fun morning. I'd say my shooting was average for the 25 shooters, because each shooter took home 7 birds. There were 10 launched per shooter.

Favored flight paths seemed to depend on the wind and sun angle/position - the rotation makes it fair, and everyone seemed to have about equal opportunities. Shooting was between about 9 am and 1130 am.

W


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:57 pm 
Crown Grade
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:20 pm
Posts: 22985
nshepherd wrote:
A tower "hunt" is very challenging with released birds? Really? Are the "hunters" blindfolded?

Europeans can have it. I'd rather go hunting with my dog.

It isn't a "Tower Hunt", it is a "Tower SHOOT"; obviously you have no clue as to how these run. Walk-up/rough-shooting/upland hunting is NOT the same thing

_________________
The bitterness of poor quality is remembered long after the sweetness of low price has faded from memory, Aldo Gucci

Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience, George Carlin


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:18 pm 
Crown Grade
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 14, 2005 12:26 pm
Posts: 3103
Location: MO
Heck if chickens flew I'd shoot then instead of using a hatchet to lop off their heads.

_________________
The population of idiots is growing by leaps and bounds and presently they are not all able to find employment within the government. So watch out, they are everywhere!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 2:32 pm 
Crown Grade
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:20 pm
Posts: 22985
Make a huge slingshot with surgical tubing and have someone launch then in the air!

_________________
The bitterness of poor quality is remembered long after the sweetness of low price has faded from memory, Aldo Gucci

Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience, George Carlin


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:36 pm 
Diamond Grade

Joined: Mon Sep 06, 2004 6:08 pm
Posts: 1839
Location: Minnesota
I have done tower shoot of pheasants and pigeons probably 10 times. It is a blast, it is not hunting, it is shooting.
I always shoot a 12 ga, semi auto. For shells, I use 1 1/8 ounce #6 at about 1250 fps.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:37 pm 
Presentation Grade

Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:09 pm
Posts: 742
Location: Valdosta GA
I think those chokes with high brass #5's would be great. A kid beside me the other week shot a few beside his dad with his brand new 20 semi auto shooting 7 1/2 low brass. Little guy but he could shoot!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:22 am 
*Proud to be a*
*Proud to be a*
User avatar

Joined: Sun Aug 17, 2008 11:16 pm
Posts: 7276
Location: Pacific Northwest
Reminds me of something I saw as a young man. My dad and I were pheasant hunting and shot our limits in the morning. We stopped at a little restaurant to have lunch and a guy outside was selling live pheasants. A couple of guys bought four pheasants and the seller put them in a burlap feed sack. The two guys went over to the field next door and took turns shaking a bird out of the bag for his partner to shoot...and, they missed all four birds!

They went back and bought four more. This time, they set the tied up bag in the field and each fired a pair of shots into it, dispatching the pheasants...which they proudly loaded into the trunk of their car. They did return the burlap sack to the seller before driving away.

Makes about as much sense to me as a "tower shoot." Sorry.

_________________
NSSA Level 1 Instructor

Romans 8:1


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 7:49 am 
Crown Grade
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:20 pm
Posts: 22985
Not even close; that's more like ground sluicing the birds by a bale of alfalfa. Tower shoots, if done properly, replicate high driven pheasants shooting. Those birds can get to heights of 60-70 yards - a lot further than someone using a dog.
Looked at another way, using a dog to hunt is more like your example with the burlap sack as the birds don't have much of a chance to get away by using a dog to find them.



_________________
The bitterness of poor quality is remembered long after the sweetness of low price has faded from memory, Aldo Gucci

Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience, George Carlin


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 61 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Registered users: alberta al, amboy49, Bing [Bot], DblXX, elpato, faas001, Google [Bot], Google Adsense [Bot], Google Feedfetcher, Majestic-12 [Bot], smlekid, Steeler [Crawler], SuperXOne


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group    - DMCA Notice