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 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:47 pm 
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The differences between birdhunters and shooters is fairly clear despite occasional individual protestations that one is the other.
What helps clear up the very clear difference is how a bird is held as a target by one and as more than a target by the other....ding, ding goes the Respect gong.
Hard to downgrade any gamebird as ....just a leftover end-o-season target.....for me and many.
Enjoy tough swatting of clays?
Sure.
Have at it...it is fun indeed.
That is a purpose of clay targets....a good purpose.

I suspect that pheasants tossed out of a tower could reach distances of high pheasants such as at a shoot like Chargot but the odds are agin it.
Naturally, the shoot promoters will try for the British connection to pump up sales, as will the participating shooters imagining themselves at a driven pheasant shoot like the swells.
But, the same?......nah.....odds are agin it....from the quality of the birds on.
Toting boxes of pheasants or partridge atop a tower and letting 'em fly is just not equal to most quality driven high pheasant shoots in jolly old.
Other lesser driven shoots?...perhaps.
Not all driven would be equal, eh?
70 yards?.....I reckon that is not even an average in Britain.
One can dream about tower shoots tho.

Quality of the birds matters..simply does....just trying to land as quickly as possible after the toss is not very sporting as a target and that...has nothing to do with the difficulty of the shooting.
Sporting....has a definition apart from shooting difficulty.
Some will understand that and some will not.
Supporting a business seems a poor reason to abandon Respect in the choosing of boxed feathers over clays.
Still, Legal trumps everything these days so.....on goes the tower shoot.
One should be so proud.
Sadly, one can not always choose the bag the public puts one in.

Sporting....a good word.




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 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:41 am 
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This thread dates to December 2011, and it is full of rants offered by people who have strong opinions both pro and con with well-intended advice scattered here and there. It doesn't belong on this Bird Hunting section. It should be on the "Opinions" page where you can throw rocks at each other for another six years.

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 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:52 am 
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At a tower shoot last weekend, the station to my left was occupied by a man with an AyA 28 ga choked IC/M and his wife who had same gun in 410. Not sure what ammo they were using, but they were very efficient.


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 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
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robert146 wrote:
This thread dates to December 2011.


The discussion goes back to the 1800s. After all, the first clay pigeon wasn't introduced until 1883 or thereabouts.



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 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 4:37 pm 
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i personally prefer and think "pheasant hunting" when I'm out with my dog.
but that is Americas way
hunts in Europe traditionally take place much differently.
in many ways its like a large party deer drive.
shooters would be spaced and positioned,
the dozens of people would go out in the fields carrying white flags.
these pushers would then in a coordinated line walk the fields driving the flocks of pheasants toward the shooters.
this was not something the every man could do
you had to be of a wealthy back ground


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The "American Way" is also going to McDonald's, not pondering what you just paid someone to do to a chicken to turn it into a McNugget.

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 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:14 am 
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Oldfarmer wrote:
Heck if chickens flew I'd shoot then instead of using a hatchet to lop off their heads.

I like wing shooting. I will attend a pheasant tower shoot this Saturday.
Breakfast, 400 birds released, steak lunch afterwards, I will enjoy it very much.
I agree with Oldfarmer, if chickens flew better, and they were throwing them, I would go shoot them.
Some need to try box pigeon shooting............ doesn't sound sporting ?
It will humble good shots fast.

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 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:32 am 
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"Sporting" does have more than a single definition. {hs#


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 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:00 pm 
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location defines if something is "sporting" or not.
and its just not how you prefer to shoot your released birds .

in Pa grouse hunting means you get your dog and put your walking boots on...
in Maine it means driving down dirt roads and getting out of your truck and shooting it...

both are legal though


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 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:18 pm 
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twistedoak wrote:
location defines if something is "sporting" or not.
and its just not how you prefer to shoot your released birds .

in Pa grouse hunting means you get your dog and put your walking boots on...
in Maine it means driving down dirt roads and getting out of your truck and shooting it...

both are legal though


When I first went to work in grouse country I had never hunted them. I asked 5 or 6 people how they hunted them. The first 4 or 5 people told me you go out and drive the backroads in the woods till you see a grouse and you get out and shoot it. It was legal. Finally I met a guy who was a grouse hunter. He had dogs and he hunted birds. He talked to me about areas to hunt, loads he liked, all the important stuff. That first year I did good on grouse with the advice and my yellow lab that was a great waterfowl and pheasant dog. The idea of road hunting did not appeal to me but 4 outta 5 people I asked...

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 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:26 pm 
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High pheasants the way they are supposed to be done

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High indeed! Those birds look really up there.


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 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
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oneounceload wrote:


High pheasants the way they are supposed to be done


In the world of waterfowl hunting we would call that pass shooting. I wonder if they would allow a person to bring their snow goose guns with the magazine extension? For that volume of shooting I would really like a heavy gas operated semi-automatic.

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 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:43 pm 
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oneounceload wrote:


High pheasants the way they are supposed to be done


it gives a good idea of how one side of the hunt goes .
what it doesn't show is the work and manpower that goes into making the hunt.
for the most part , shooting is by invitation only on the estates.
and you pay handsomely for the invitation
the estate hires a head gamekeeper and a staff to raise and manage free ranging birds on the estate.
during the hunt you not only have staff catering , transporting and caddying, for the invited shooters , but you also have dozens of people driving the birds.

it traditionally was a rich mans game.and pretty much still is


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 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 6:51 pm 
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twistedoak wrote:
oneounceload wrote:

it traditionally was a rich mans game.and pretty much still is


Not entirely true. I'm far from rich and was able to afford 5 days of driven shooting for pheasants, partridge and mallards in Wales in 2016. Yes, you can make it a "rich man's game" shooting at the big "name brand" shoots and staying in castles with 5 star food but we had good driven shooting, nice accomodations and good food that middle income people can afford.

Also, much driven shooting in the UK is done by "syndicates" which, in our terminology are "clubs". The members share the cost of leasing land, rearing and caring for the birds until shooting season, serving as beaters and being the shooters. The least cost syndicates do all of the manual labor themselves and then on a shooting day alternate drives between beating and shooting. Again, affordable by middle income people.


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 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 7:04 pm 
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The location in the video I posted is Wales. I have a UK couple that are friends (they also have homes in Florida and Monaco) and he attends shoots during the season regularly for 6-8 weeks "during the season" - that gets real expensive (but he can afford it)

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 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:45 am 
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FlyChamps wrote:
twistedoak wrote:
oneounceload wrote:

it traditionally was a rich mans game.and pretty much still is


Not entirely true. I'm far from rich and was able to afford 5 days of driven shooting for pheasants, partridge and mallards in Wales in 2016. Yes, you can make it a "rich man's game" shooting at the big "name brand" shoots and staying in castles with 5 star food but we had good driven shooting, nice accomodations and good food that middle income people can afford.

Also, much driven shooting in the UK is done by "syndicates" which, in our terminology are "clubs". The members share the cost of leasing land, rearing and caring for the birds until shooting season, serving as beaters and being the shooters. The least cost syndicates do all of the manual labor themselves and then on a shooting day alternate drives between beating and shooting. Again, affordable by middle income people.
Would love to hear more specifics on costs and how to find these. Can pm if you prefer. Thanks!


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 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 8:32 am 
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https://bestwingshooting.com/

Call John and ask him

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 Post subject: Re: Tower Pheasant shoot???
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Being a life long bird hunter here's MY take on the tower shoots.

Saturday morning, I have 3 choices to make, go shopping with the wife and her sister, shovel snow off the driveway and side walks or go to a tower shoot.

Decisions, decisions what shall I ever do??


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:02 am 
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Happy wife, happy life so leave them alone and go to the shoot!



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