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 Post subject: Warm up before match?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:35 am 
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Guys, do any of you have any tips on warming up before a club match??? When I practice I usually work on some weak spots than save one box to do a regular round and find getting a 25 (NOT ALWAYS) is more attainable since I am warmed up but shooting my club matches on a Sunday morning is a different story and my scores reflect this "SHOOTING COLD" effect. I don't feel as confident or alert. Any tips? Do I try and sneak in a warm up round?? Thanks Joe



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 Post subject: Re: Marm up before match?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:26 am 
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If you make a warm-up round a regular part of your game, what happens when you can't?


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 Post subject: Re: Marm up before match?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:29 am 
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If the skeet field is occupied with the tournament crowd, why not try some 5-stand if available? You can shoot just a few targets to shake off the cobwebs. When I shoot pistols, I find it takes me about 5 shots to steady my hands. Then everything settles down, and I do fine. Maybe you just need a few shots to acclimate to the noise, the recoil and the required concentration, not a whole round of skeet. Good luck. I hope you figure it out.

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 Post subject: Re: Warm up before match?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:20 pm 
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Mr. Muggs, I'm just looking for some feedback from other skeet shooters to see what they do before a match to prepare themselves, increase reaction time, concentration etc.

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 Post subject: Re: Warm up before match?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:54 pm 
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Okay. Here is some feedback from a skeet shooter -

I don't shoot practice before an event. It makes for a longer day and an earlier start. That can be tiring and take away from my mental game. If I run a straight I will wish I had saved that straight for the event. That can affect my mental game. If I miss, I will worry about why I missed and that may lead to me changing my game which could lead to a miss. If fate prevents me from getting in a practice round, that will annoy me and affect my mental game, and that could lead to a miss.


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 Post subject: Re: Warm up before match?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:05 pm 
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Now your talking my language! Thanks

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 Post subject: Re: Warm up before match?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:53 pm 
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I never give shooting a warm-up round a thought. If I did shoot one, I'm sure my thoughts would mirror J. Fred's.
At the shoots that I run at our club, it matters not if you want to shoot a warm-up. It ain't happening. We are a small club, having just two fields, so I don't have any open fields. Plus, we have an agreed upon time with the neighbors about start time. Thus, when we get to shooting time, I have to start the shoot. So..........if you're used to getting in a warm up round, better skip our shoot or change your routine.


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 Post subject: Re: Warm up before match?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:39 pm 
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The comments and rationale from J. Fred Muggs and Vette Jockey 2 were essentially the reasons I recommended shooting a little 5-stand...if available. Just something to get you into the gun before starting the Skeet rounds without directly relating to your Skeet performance and expectations.

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 Post subject: Re: Warm up before match?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:29 pm 
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Auldthymer wrote:
The comments and rationale from J. Fred Muggs and Vette Jockey 2 were essentially the reasons I recommended shooting a little 5-stand...if available. Just something to get you into the gun before starting the Skeet rounds without directly relating to your Skeet performance and expectations.


No competitive skeet shooter would shoot anything else before a competition. I assume you aren’t a skeet competitor. Bad idea.


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 Post subject: Re: Warm up before match?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:37 pm 
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drawdc wrote:
Auldthymer wrote:
The comments and rationale from J. Fred Muggs and Vette Jockey 2 were essentially the reasons I recommended shooting a little 5-stand...if available. Just something to get you into the gun before starting the Skeet rounds without directly relating to your Skeet performance and expectations.


No competitive skeet shooter would shoot anything else before a competition. I assume you aren’t a skeet competitor. Bad idea.

A skeet shooter, but no, not a competitor. Just trying to help, thinking a few bangs of any kind might help. Thanks for the heads up.

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 Post subject: Re: Warm up before match?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:55 am 
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The game of skeet hasn't changed since the last round you shot. There may be some climatic or mechanical reason for the birds to be in a different spot than normal and if that's the case feel free to move the gun. We have shot thousands of birds and unless something changes it will be a normal round probably shooting up to your averages.
I think your stressing over something unimportant....


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 Post subject: Re: Warm up before match?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:08 pm 
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Auldthymer wrote:
drawdc wrote:
Auldthymer wrote:
The comments and rationale from J. Fred Muggs and Vette Jockey 2 were essentially the reasons I recommended shooting a little 5-stand...if available. Just something to get you into the gun before starting the Skeet rounds without directly relating to your Skeet performance and expectations.


No competitive skeet shooter would shoot anything else before a competition. I assume you aren’t a skeet competitor. Bad idea.

A skeet shooter, but no, not a competitor. Just trying to help, thinking a few bangs of any kind might help. Thanks for the heads up.


I don't sweat it if it doesn't happen, but do like to get in a few shots prior to an event. Moreso the first event of the day than the second; particularly if it is early morning with hard lighting. As much as anything I am looking to loosen up a little, remind myself of the feel I want, see some targets from the pad, assess my lense color, etc. If I get to the practice field and it is jammed packed, I don't fret it. If it is imporant enough for me on any particular day to see a few targets from the pad area, I would volunteer to push the button for others who are practicing.

For me the warm up box would not necessarily be 5-Stand, but not a regular singles round either; something closer to Doubles. But in doubles you go around and then back, so not that. One thing I don't do is go around passing up several stations/targets, get to 8 with everyone and then want to go back to Station 4 or 5 to shoot another five or six shells. That is a time killer and frankly inconsiderate of the next group who is looking to practice in a limited time schedule. My opinion is that if you want to shoot an extra three shells on Station 4, you should do it when the group is on the station the first time through.

During a crowded tournament, particularly when groups are waiting and time is limited, the practice field is not a place to be analyzing why you can't hit a target. How many times have we seen that? Some guy grinding into his self consciousness that he can't hit a shot! "Wow I missed that again. In fact, I am so bad at that target, I am going to go ahead miss that another three out of four attempts, just to be sure that I cement it into my psyche before the event!"


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 Post subject: Re: Warm up before match?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:32 pm 
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J.Fred_Muggs wrote:
Okay. Here is some feedback from a skeet shooter -

I don't shoot practice before an event. It makes for a longer day and an earlier start. That can be tiring and take away from my mental game. If I run a straight I will wish I had saved that straight for the event. That can affect my mental game. If I miss, I will worry about why I missed and that may lead to me changing my game which could lead to a miss. If fate prevents me from getting in a practice round, that will annoy me and affect my mental game, and that could lead to a miss.


When I first started, I thought it was weird that there was no warmup, but I've come to the same conclusion about it not being all that necessary and maybe even counterproductive when you get down to it.


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 Post subject: Re: Warm up before match?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:14 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Warm up before match?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:55 am 
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I never crammed right before a test cause I figured if I didn't know something, last minute cramming wasn't likely to help. When I shot rimfire benchrest, I never practiced before a match. I figured the conditions wouldn't likely be the same as during the match and, if I shot poorly in practice, it would just get in my head. Now I shoot recreational skeet and some ATA trap and again never warm up. My focus is usually best early on and fatigue will sometimes take it away. What seems to work best for me is to just dive right into it with confidence. I wouldn't want to have a bad round get into my head or a good round having me wish I had saved it for the match.


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 Post subject: Re: Warm up before match?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:05 pm 
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Top coaches would ask; what are you going to do to warm up your eyes? Several exercises come to mind. Then what are you going to do to warm up your hands and your arms? What are you doing to warm up your competitive brain and predator tracking ability?

For score, many many top guys visualize each and every target in a perfect round, then go out and execute.

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 Post subject: Re: Warm up before match?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:39 pm 
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I like a warm up before competition. I think it settles the nerves. The most missed shot in skeet is station 1, high house. The first shot of the day. How much of that is nerves and settling down. It is an easy shot at American skeet, but still the most missed. International, where I competed most, station one high house was a killer. Easily the most missed also. I remember one match, every man on the squad missed station one high house, everyone. After the last one missed, we all had a good laugh and settled down. The shot was hard, because the bird is coming down, relative to the shooter and in International your gun is coming up, a recipe for a miss, if you are not warmed up. One thing some guys did, was go to an unused field, and hand throw a few targets by themselves, throw, mount, shoot. We might do that using spent shells as the targets. Do that 5 or 6 times and get settled down.


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 Post subject: Re: Warm up before match?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2020 11:04 am 
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No, I don't shoot matches anymore. My "warm up" is about a 10-15 minute BS session with my shooting pals.

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 Post subject: Re: Warm up before match?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 11:04 am 
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I don´t post much, but I do have some thoughts into this....

- does a high level golfer go to the first tee of a tournament with out first warming up at the driving range and then the putting green?

- does a high level baseball player take the field with out taking some batting practice and throwing balls before the game?

- does a high level basketball player start the game with out hitting a few pre-game shots?

I can go on and on with every high level athlete in most every sporting event. The fact of the matter is that high level athletes do warm up prior to their respective events. The ¨warm up¨ is not considered practice, just an exercise to get yourself into a good mind space and loosen up the muscles that are used in your sport.

This does not mean that you can´t be a good skeet shooter with out warming up, but I feel it is important for my shooters that they get a few shots in before the first round of the day. Their scores are better with warm up rather than starting cold turkey. They don´t shoot a full round in warm up.... rather they will shoot a few high and lows on station one and the same on station seven and then end up with a crossing station of their liking.

Sometimes a tournament will not have warm up available, and we just roll with it and shoot cold turkey, no big deal. In my opinion, it comes down to how much time and effort one wishes to give in order to excel at your respective sport. Most skeet shooters seem to be involved for the companionship and for the fun of the event and are not truly interested in maximizing their skeet game.

Try it both ways and see what your results are and do what is right for you. Everyone is different and will find what works best for them. We have found the a little bit of warm up is good for loosening up the muscles and the mind.


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 Post subject: Re: Warm up before match?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:09 pm 
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Well said Mike! My thoughts as well. I might add 'why not?". Why not take advantage of every opportunity offered? Certainly the coordination required by (American) skeet is not excessive, but aren't there many targets lost at Station 1 High House?. Why give that one away?
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