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 Post subject: Re: What is happening to this site ???????
PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:11 am 
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I won't waste space on my machine with FB, if you truly know me then you know how to reach me and for some reason I don't want to be friends with people that I don't already know.

Now that that's out in the open, I read the SC forum daily but don't have anything to add because I don't know enough to share. I'm a newby at SC and about the only thing I can add would be to shoot in front, not behind!!

Never stopped me.

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 Post subject: Re: Whit is happening to this site ???????
PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:30 pm 
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The virus may be part to blame. Our club quit allowing guest to shoot, only members. And other clubs in my area have limited numbers allowed. And the factor, some shooters can not, or do not go due to the risk of catching the virus. Especially older shooters who are more at risk. Just my thoughts, yours may differ.


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 Post subject: Re: Whit is happening to this site ???????
PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:37 pm 
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Here's what I think happens:

1) Newer shooter asks a question;
2) Helpful but perhaps not so knowledgable guy answers, mostly correctly but not fully correctly;
3) Nicer and more knowing guy answers a little more completely;
4) After a few iterations from #2's and #3's a smartass who thinks he owns the forum comes on and slams the OP for asking a stupid question, flames the helpful but not so knowledgable guys for giving lame answers, then chastises the more polite knowing guys for being arrogant know-it-alls.
5) #3's now dogfight the #4's and the thread ends up being a $&!# show of a few decent, usable facts versus a whole bunch of fallacy.
6)Then that thread may or may not get locked down.
7) Ergo, #1's stop asking, #2's stop answering even when new #1's ask, and #3's give up after months of trying to deal nicely with the #4's continued crap spewing.

PS: FB is not any better, in fact IMHO it's worse. Too many jerks that think they're humorous and popular trying to turn every thread into a joke, and instead take an otherwise good discussion into the nonsensical musings of a few egotistical jackasses.

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 Post subject: Re: Whit is happening to this site ???????
PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:05 pm 
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Yep. Sometimes it’s that way, but not always. We’ve certainly had our share of trolls and know-it-all’s, end even those who enjoy being condescending. But I still find that most aren’t that way at all.

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 Post subject: Re: Whit is happening to this site ???????
PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:23 pm 
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JacksBack wrote:
Here's what I think happens:

1) Newer shooter asks a question;
2) Helpful but perhaps not so knowledgable guy answers, mostly correctly but not fully correctly;
3) Nicer and more knowing guy answers a little more completely;
4) After a few iterations from #2's and #3's a smartass who thinks he owns the forum comes on and slams the OP for asking a stupid question, flames the helpful but not so knowledgable guys for giving lame answers, then chastises the more polite knowing guys for being arrogant know-it-alls.
5) #3's now dogfight the #4's and the thread ends up being a $&!# show of a few decent, usable facts versus a whole bunch of fallacy.
6)Then that thread may or may not get locked down.
7) Ergo, #1's stop asking, #2's stop answering even when new #1's ask, and #3's give up after months of trying to deal nicely with the #4's continued crap spewing.

PS: FB is not any better, in fact IMHO it's worse. Too many jerks that think they're humorous and popular trying to turn every thread into a joke, and instead take an otherwise good discussion into the nonsensical musings of a few egotistical jackasses.


I have seen that play out several times, and been the #2 and #3 in your scenario. I never get too worked up about #s though. If being a chastising know it all on forums is what makes them feel good so be it I feel sorry for them but wont let them bring me down.


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 Post subject: Re: Whit is happening to this site ???????
PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:53 pm 
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The other part of the story is that MEC shot drops are also usually a little light

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 Post subject: Re: Whit is happening to this site ???????
PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:28 pm 
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JacksBack wrote:
Here's what I think happens:

1) Newer shooter asks a question;
2) Helpful but perhaps not so knowledgable guy answers, mostly correctly but not fully correctly;
3) Nicer and more knowing guy answers a little more completely;
4) After a few iterations from #2's and #3's a smartass who thinks he owns the forum comes on and slams the OP for asking a stupid question, flames the helpful but not so knowledgable guys for giving lame answers, then chastises the more polite knowing guys for being arrogant know-it-alls.
5) #3's now dogfight the #4's and the thread ends up being a $&!# show of a few decent, usable facts versus a whole bunch of fallacy.
6)Then that thread may or may not get locked down.
7) Ergo, #1's stop asking, #2's stop answering even when new #1's ask, and #3's give up after months of trying to deal nicely with the #4's continued crap spewing.

PS: FB is not any better, in fact IMHO it's worse. Too many jerks that think they're humorous and popular trying to turn every thread into a joke, and instead take an otherwise good discussion into the nonsensical musings of a few egotistical jackasses.


Great summary, I love it!


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 Post subject: Re: Whit is happening to this site ???????
PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:44 pm 
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mwr01 wrote:
JacksBack wrote:
Here's what I think happens:

1) Newer shooter asks a question;
2) Helpful but perhaps not so knowledgable guy answers, mostly correctly but not fully correctly;
3) Nicer and more knowing guy answers a little more completely;
4) After a few iterations from #2's and #3's a smartass who thinks he owns the forum comes on and slams the OP for asking a stupid question, flames the helpful but not so knowledgable guys for giving lame answers, then chastises the more polite knowing guys for being arrogant know-it-alls.
5) #3's now dogfight the #4's and the thread ends up being a $&!# show of a few decent, usable facts versus a whole bunch of fallacy.
6)Then that thread may or may not get locked down.
7) Ergo, #1's stop asking, #2's stop answering even when new #1's ask, and #3's give up after months of trying to deal nicely with the #4's continued crap spewing.

PS: FB is not any better, in fact IMHO it's worse. Too many jerks that think they're humorous and popular trying to turn every thread into a joke, and instead take an otherwise good discussion into the nonsensical musings of a few egotistical jackasses.


Great summary, I love it!


Certainly been a bunch of threads that have turned into a nasty back and forth between two individuals that totally derails anything good that may have occurred in an effort to answer the OP question or comments. No doubt that crap drives some people away or discourages their participation.

There is still a lot of good discussion on here regardless. Lots of knowledge and most participants are good about sharing it.

I use Facebook marketplace for my hobby business selling John Deere tractors and attachments but I have never been able to get used to the social media aspect of it and as a result, I don't spend hardly any time exploring it. I am aware that there is quite a bit of content for sporting clays but haven't participated. I do check in here several times a day though.

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 Post subject: Re: Whit is happening to this site ???????
PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:17 am 
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Jack, One of the best replies to a post ever.

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 Post subject: Re: Whit is happening to this site ???????
PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:31 am 
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Like I said, too many crybabies.

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 Post subject: Re: Whit is happening to this site ???????
PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:02 pm 
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This site is junk anymore. Between the redirect when you first get to the site, issues that Jack mentioned, fun patrol that says you are evil if you expect to get paid for shooting well, pandemic, the guy that says he can't see the rings on the targets so therefore you can't bickering ..... Etc.. it's just not worth the hassle.

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 Post subject: Re: What is happening to this site ???????
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:31 am 
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I’ve noticed it down on content as well. Bummer as fb posts are almost always a crap show of ignorance.


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 Post subject: Re: What is happening to this site ???????
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:04 am 
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There are two different forums on this web site that are pretty close to the same thing. With the Chinese virus shutting everything down there's less events to talk about. With that in mind, if someone has a general statement about clay shooting he can post on the other forum. I don't think it's about people loosing interest, but the interesting things they use to post about just ain't happening right now.

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 Post subject: Re: What is happening to this site ???????
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:07 am 
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Sadly i think you are right!

Gotta get out and shoot!


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 Post subject: Re: What is happening to this site ???????
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:59 am 
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I personally have not been able to do much shooting at all due to this idiotic pandemic crap and the resulting shelter in place orders. Only in the last couple of months have things started to look better for our discretionary spending budget. I did get to the local T&S range and was able to get a couple rounds in, but it will be some time before it can be a regular part of life again.

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 Post subject: Re: What is happening to this site ???????
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:50 am 
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There is more on Facebook. Clay Shooting and American Field Sporting are just two of the groups. Not a lot of bickering, nice photos and good posts.

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 Post subject: Re: What is happening to this site ???????
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:06 pm 
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dogchaser37 wrote:
There is more on Facebook. Clay Shooting and American Field Sporting are just two of the groups. Not a lot of bickering, nice photos and good posts.


But a lot of really bad advice.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:25 pm 
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I refuse to use FB and give Zuckerberg any money. I know I may be alone in that decision but so be it.


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 Post subject: Re: What is happening to this site ???????
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:26 pm 
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dogchaser37 wrote:
There is more on Facebook. Clay Shooting and American Field Sporting are just two of the groups. Not a lot of bickering, nice photos and good posts.


But a lot of really bad advice.

Which is usually corrected pretty quickly by more knowledgeable people.

Facebook in general is a cesspool, but there are three clay shooting pages that I find worthwhile, two of which are moderated by people who used to be frequent posters here. The FB pages don't seem to attract as many self-important blowhards as SGW, probably because it's harder to be anonymous there. That said, I regard the FB pages as an addition, not a replacement. I still enjoy SGW and find it to be a good source of information most of the time.

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 Post subject: Re: Whit is happening to this site ???????
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:39 pm 
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JacksBack wrote:
Here's what I think happens:

1) Newer shooter asks a question;
2) Helpful but perhaps not so knowledgable guy answers, mostly correctly but not fully correctly;
3) Nicer and more knowing guy answers a little more completely;
4) After a few iterations from #2's and #3's a smartass who thinks he owns the forum comes on and slams the OP for asking a stupid question, flames the helpful but not so knowledgable guys for giving lame answers, then chastises the more polite knowing guys for being arrogant know-it-alls.
5) #3's now dogfight the #4's and the thread ends up being a $&!# show of a few decent, usable facts versus a whole bunch of fallacy.
6)Then that thread may or may not get locked down.
7) Ergo, #1's stop asking, #2's stop answering even when new #1's ask, and #3's give up after months of trying to deal nicely with the #4's continued crap spewing.




PS: FB is not any better, in fact IMHO it's worse. Too many jerks that think they're humorous and popular trying to turn every thread into a joke, and instead take an otherwise good discussion into the nonsensical musings of a few egotistical jackasses.


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