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 Post subject: Could we be damaging our health with excessive recoil?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:40 am 
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Interesting (for me ?) experiment yesterday .
I shot a tough 100 bird competition using 3/4 oz cartridges 7 & 1/2 shot . None of the targets were a problem and I connected with some of them on every stand , including one real stinker that was many yards out travelling fast. I shoot a K80 that weighs 9 lb 2oz and have never thought that I suffered from recoil . But after the shoot I shot a few more targets using 1oz . Wow ! never realised they kicked so much before , God only knows how I coped before with 1&1/8oz & 1& 1/4 oz cartridges.
DO WE REALLY NEED MORE THAN 3/4 OZ CARTRIDGES?




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 Post subject: Re: Could we be damaging our health with excessive recoil?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:50 am 
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salopian wrote:
DO WE REALLY NEED MORE THAN 3/4 OZ CARTRIDGES?


Are you competing at the level where you can win or loose by one bird?

Is winning important you to you?

If the answer to those questions is yes and yes, then shoot all the lead the rules allow.


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 Post subject: Re: Could we be damaging our health with excessive recoil?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:13 am 
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I use 1 oz for everything. I don't believe for a second that I missed any target because of that missing 1/8 oz. of shot.

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 Post subject: Re: Could we be damaging our health with excessive recoil?
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Jim Miller wrote:
I use 1 oz for everything. I don't believe for a second that I missed any target because of that missing 1/8 oz. of shot.


+1 and IMO No real need for anything over 1250 FPS and closer to 1200 just right :)

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 Post subject: Re: Could we be damaging our health with excessive recoil?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:47 am 
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Jim Miller wrote:
I use 1 oz for everything. I don't believe for a second that I missed any target because of that missing 1/8 oz. of shot.

Agreed !!

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 Post subject: Re: Could we be damaging our health with excessive recoil?
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 Post subject: Re: Could we be damaging our health with excessive recoil?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:52 am 
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hopper810 wrote:
Jim Miller wrote:
I use 1 oz for everything. I don't believe for a second that I missed any target because of that missing 1/8 oz. of shot.


+1 and IMO No real need for anything over 1250 FPS and closer to 1200 just right :)

I've been really liking the Winchester Super Target x-lite 1 oz @ 1180.

The targets seem to break just fine.


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 Post subject: Re: Could we be damaging our health with excessive recoil?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:09 am 
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I've been really liking the Winchester Super Target x-lite 1 oz @ 1180.


I do too, but I don't pretend that I wouldn't break more with 1 1/8 ounce.


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 Post subject: Re: Could we be damaging our health with excessive recoil?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:14 am 
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Its a physics drill. You can reduce your payload which reduces recoil but also useful range. If we are shooting long birds, and you have 3/4 ounce and I have 1 1/8, guess who is going to win? Every 1 1/8 ounce shell has 3/4 ounce riding in the front of the shot column.

As for health, I wonder if shooting a million shot shells in a lifetime has any physical effect on our brains. Like football players or boxers, does repeated recoil over a long period of time do damage? Possibly on a microscopic level. The double rifle guys are fo sure brain damaged, but they start out that way :P


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 Post subject: Re: Could we be damaging our health with excessive recoil?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:24 am 
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I just started using eXperiencia 1oz. 8.5's 1240 in FITASC.

What a great shell. They hit targets long and hard.

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 Post subject: Re: Could we be damaging our health with excessive recoil?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:28 am 
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ShowMe wrote:
painter* wrote:
I've been really liking the Winchester Super Target x-lite 1 oz @ 1180.


I do too, but I don't pretend that I wouldn't break more with 1 1/8 ounce.

I'm not pretending anything. I can miss with either.

My life doesn't depend on a target here or there.


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 Post subject: Re: Could we be damaging our health with excessive recoil?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:33 am 
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Repetitive recoil to your brain case.
Like tiny punches every time you pull the trigger.
When will we see the first lawsuit for micro concussions
caused by repetitive shotgun shooting?
The world is upside down so it can’t be far off.
If some trial lawyers can make a buck they will do it.

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 Post subject: Re: Could we be damaging our health with excessive recoil?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:49 am 
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What we need is a national organization with the stones to standardize the payload. I reloaded a bunch of 3/4 ounce loads before it was fashionable and agree they work fine, but it would make more sense to standardize 7/8 ounce/24 gram loads. Every major manufacturer is setup to handle them and they are already the standard for some competitions.


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 Post subject: Re: Could we be damaging our health with excessive recoil?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:55 am 
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Dave Holmes wrote:
What we need is a national organization with the stones to standardize the payload.


They have. It's <=1 1/8 ounce. What's your problem with that?


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 Post subject: Re: Could we be damaging our health with excessive recoil?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:16 am 
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Well technically not standardized, they have set an upper boundary.

What's wrong with 9/8? Absolutely nothing as long as NSCA doesn't make me shoot the butt-kicking s.o.b's.


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 Post subject: Re: Could we be damaging our health with excessive recoil?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:27 am 
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Boring and ridiculous.

If you are recoil sensitive for whatever reason, then shoot lighter loads.

If I wanted to shoot 3/4 oz. loads I would buy a 28 gauge.

What a bunch of cry baby whiners......you are beginning to sound like skeet shooters. :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Could we be damaging our health with excessive recoil?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:30 am 
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As someone who started shooting 1oz in 1986 I can verify that lighter shells can and do break clays at distance. I lived in France and we shot International Trap with 28gm Some of those second shots were well out there and certainly at a distance comparable to Sporting targets

Any truth to rumor that Richard F has shoulder problems?

Those of us who shoot sub gauges know how well 3/4 or 1/2 oz breaks clays but many folk forget that when the topic of 12 gauge loads comes up

You will have a hard roe to hoe to persuade some folks that 9/8th of an Ounce is not better I have given up trying to persuade people (much like averages used everywhere in the world but NSCA)

As a matter of interest, how did your score compare?

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 Post subject: Re: Could we be damaging our health with excessive recoil?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:48 am 
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ShowMe wrote:
Dave Holmes wrote:
What we need is a national organization with the stones to standardize the payload.


They have. It's <=1 1/8 ounce. What's your problem with that?


Ditto......NSCA says nothing more then 1-1/8th, it's not that difficult, and the last thing we need is another "organization" pretending to be working in our best interest. FITASC rules state no more then 1oz, doesn't get much more "standard" then that.

I changed to 1 oz loads for everything about two years ago, I haven't looked back.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:11 am 
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we all gotta die from sumptin.

I choose recoil.



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