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 Post subject: Re: Pre Shot Routine Madness
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 3:01 pm 
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OHH this is funny. I love watching guys go through their crazy pre-shot routine to only blank on the pair. If you're really really good, shooting for your lively hood, go ahead and do whatever. But, for the rest of us, take a second to settle in, call pull, and shoot.




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 Post subject: Re: Pre Shot Routine Madness
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:40 pm 
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The Swanny wrote:
Eriehunter wrote:
Take as long as you want in the box to prepare yourself mentally to shoot your targets, I will respect your time in the box, however long or short that may be.


For those of you that get in the box and shoot your targets rapidly with very little set up and forethought what is your average?


So....you are parlaying the longer time in the box automatically = better scores?! Really?! Totally unsubstantiated baloney.

I think most everyone has a 'process'. Just some are ridiculously long and tedious and don't mean higher scores.

In regards to averages I tend to worry about my own and don't care about anyone else's. Since you brought it up, I did check yours and I suggest you worry more about your own perhaps and a change in process by speeding up may help raise your average :)



Actually, thanks for bringing it up. I noticed my routine has been a little faster than it should be and I need to slow down. I have better success when I step into the box with a plan and rehearse the plan before calling for the targets.

I have shot with and watched many of the best shooters in the world, generally they hardly step into the box throw shells into the gun call for the pair and get out of the box w/o running some kind of moderate to lengthy preshot routine. If I recall correctly Digweed was probably the fastest most others were quite a bit longer.

Since you looked me up at least provide the courtesy of your NSCA number so I can check you up.

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"pace of play"

the reason why the PGA had to push for a standardized "pace of play rule" take your time, but lets not get nuts here and then start spending 45 minutes per station.


I am not familiar with the rules of golf, please explain.

Although the little bit I have watched golf on TV I would say I can't recall any of the best golfers rushing through their time on the tee. Granted some are faster than others I would say none are in a race.

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He looks like a pretty damn good shooter to me. But, WTH do I know, I'm only in C class. (About to punch into B, though)


Thank you, I've had some decent success and some epic failures, comes with the territory. Keep working towards your goals.

Anxiety in the shot/process of shooting is the enemy of shooting well. The time you take to quiet that beast is time well spent. (I was told something similar this by one of the best shooters in the world)

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 Post subject: Re: Pre Shot Routine Madness
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:54 pm 
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At one time I could just step into the box, know where the targets are coming from and shoot.

Those days are gone. Now there is nothing that a trap can't do with speed, angle, and trickery to the shooter. Thus pre-shot routine started. The type of targets has forced me to have a routine. We are not all the same, and understand that. A lot of other things make up sporting clays along with routines that take up time. I could name a few.. Enjoy the sport....


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 Post subject: Re: Pre Shot Routine Madness
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:55 pm 
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Swanny, are you top 3rd in Master? I think that folks critical of others better be damn good.

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 Post subject: Re: Pre Shot Routine Madness
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:23 pm 
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If a shooter wants to take 15 minutes doing his/her preshot routine, that's on them.

Do you really need a preshot routine? Only you can answer that question.

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 Post subject: Re: Pre Shot Routine Madness
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 10:20 pm 
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I come from a USPSA background. It's a given that everyone gets to "walk through" the stage before shooting it. When it's your turn to shoot you get a final static rehearsal then it's go time. Some take a little longer than others but pretty much everyone has to take some time to "program" their run into their heads.

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 Post subject: Re: Pre Shot Routine Madness
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 10:37 pm 
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Very different. The ‘walk through’ is done as a squad, and a proper RSO will keep that moving.


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 Post subject: Re: Pre Shot Routine Madness
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:09 am 
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Imagine if a young Tiger Woods listened to every weekend warrior rushing through the round to get back to the club house for cocktails that said, "Hey kid just tee up and hit it. You're not that good anyway!"

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 Post subject: Re: Pre Shot Routine Madness
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:09 am 
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T-Pee wrote:
I come from a USPSA background. It's a given that everyone gets to "walk through" the stage before shooting it. When it's your turn to shoot you get a final static rehearsal then it's go time. Some take a little longer than others but pretty much everyone has to take some time to "program" their run into their heads.

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You get a walk through. They are called show pairs.


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 Post subject: Re: Pre Shot Routine Madness
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:22 am 
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lt0026 wrote:
T-Pee wrote:
I come from a USPSA background. It's a given that everyone gets to "walk through" the stage before shooting it. When it's your turn to shoot you get a final static rehearsal then it's go time. Some take a little longer than others but pretty much everyone has to take some time to "program" their run into their heads.

tp

You get a walk through. They are called show pairs.

I do not think that is the issue. To me, it is the third guy in the rotation, who has just watched about 10 show pairs in the form of the shooters in front of him, stepping into the box as if he hasn't seen the targets at all. If he hasn't formed his plan by then, no major time-consuming routine is really going to help him. Like Erie, I also tend to rush, and need to actually slow down just a little.

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 Post subject: Re: Pre Shot Routine Madness
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:37 am 
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The level of butt hurt by individuals who obviously have a routine like the priests in The Exorcist is thick. I also have a preshot routine that is not that long. I shoot in the open desert where there are little to any references for hold point, etc. And targets are generally tougher than up north. So you have to pay extra attention to those show targets. I don't care and EXPECT everyone to have a preshot routine. All I am asking is get it done in 15 seconds or less.

I am not some top 20 M shooter. Those guys that are, more power to them. They usually shoot together anyhow and can trace the sky with their guns and chase their demons until the cows come home. But Local Larry who barely practices once a week then slaps on the routine like he THINKS he is some to 20 M shooter......that is the 'problem'.


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 Post subject: Re: Pre Shot Routine Madness
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:50 am 
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So we could say the unspoken rule is unless you're shooting for HOA or M1-3 just get on with it.

I think that seems reasonable.


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 Post subject: Re: Pre Shot Routine Madness
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:54 am 
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birdhunter39 wrote:
So we could say the unspoken rule is unless you're shooting for HOA or M1-3 just get on with it.

I think that seems reasonable.



That might be SGW's post of the year...........I literally blew coffee out of my nose and mouth.

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 Post subject: Re: Pre Shot Routine Madness
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:13 am 
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birdhunter39 wrote:
So we could say the unspoken rule is unless you're shooting for HOA or M1-3 just get on with it.

I think that seems reasonable.


In 15 seconds sounds reasonable don't you think?


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 Post subject: Re: Pre Shot Routine Madness
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:19 am 
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So i just stared at my watch for 15 seconds and mentally went through my pre shot routine. I think it's about the perfect amount of time!

doesn't allow time for changing chokes or going back to the cart for different shells BUT those things should have been done already so i think we've got a winner.


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 Post subject: Re: Pre Shot Routine Madness
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:59 am 
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birdhunter39 wrote:
So i just stared at my watch for 15 seconds and mentally went through my pre shot routine. I think it's about the perfect amount of time!

doesn't allow time for changing chokes or going back to the cart for different shells BUT those things should have been done already so i think we've got a winner.


:lol: Choke changing is a whole nether clock.


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 Post subject: Re: Pre Shot Routine Madness
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:53 pm 
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15 seconds seems looong. I think you're being generous. I was done after 4 seconds :)


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 Post subject: Re: Pre Shot Routine Madness
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:55 pm 
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The Swanny wrote:
In regards to averages I tend to worry about my own and don't care about anyone else's. Since you brought it up, I did check yours and I suggest you worry more about your own perhaps and a change in process by speeding up may help raise your average :)



Eriehunter wrote:
Since you looked me up at least provide the courtesy of your NSCA number so I can check you up.


<<< Crickets chirping >>>


Never mind I looked you up.

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