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 Post subject: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:38 am 
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My experiences this far-
Gun Clubs 1145 very soft

F2 Mach 1300 not terrible at all, less punchy than AA 1oz 1290

Nitro 27 1235 possibly more punch than the F2?

What else is worth trying?




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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:49 am 
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Estate plus they have harder shot than GC. Rio Elite 1150 fps are probably the best but they are $$$$.


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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:50 am 
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Subjective to each shooter, 1oz around 1200 FPS will break any target.

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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:13 am 
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LT do all the estate loads user harder shot? silly but i don't like the smell of estates. still if they're cushy....

hopper i get what you're saying. i have shot plenty of the fiocchi 1oz 1170s and for sure they can do it all. heck a tighter choked 20ga would get it done in the majority of tournaments i've shot. just the same i'm having fun playing with different factory loads.


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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:25 am 
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Many gun and shell factors have been credited with increasing or reducing felt recoil with nominally equivalent loads, i.e. same weight of shot and actual muzzle velocity. Things like forcing cone and choke designs, wad type, powder burn rate and so forth. And such differences in recoil perception are routinely reported. To my knowledge there has been no credible scientific demonstration of such differences. One brand of shells with the same shot weight and muzzle velocity as another feeling different is just unsupported opinion contrary to basic physical principals. I wouldn’t waste my time trying to capture an effect that can’t be shown to exist and most likely doesn’t.

Lower your shot weight to 1 oz. Lower your velocity to 1180 fps or thereabouts. And be confident you are doing as well as you can no matter what brand you buy.

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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:31 am 
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birdhunter39 wrote:
LT do all the estate loads user harder shot? silly but i don't like the smell of estates. still if they're cushy....

hopper i get what you're saying. i have shot plenty of the fiocchi 1oz 1170s and for sure they can do it all. heck a tighter choked 20ga would get it done in the majority of tournaments i've shot. just the same i'm having fun playing with different factory loads.

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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:40 am 
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Rio Elites, that's been my go-to 1 1/8oz this year and have been amazed by the consistent hard breaks with what feels like less recoil than most 1oz target loads. Best part is I found them on sale so scored a pallet at around $48 per flat!

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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:04 am 
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The Winchester Super Targets (not liked by many, but I've had good luck with them) have a 1 and 1/8 oz load that is 1145 fps (just like the AA light target load offering). I find them very soft shooting. I think the Estates recoil more in every offering, but that is my opinion.


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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:06 pm 
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Softest 1 1/8 factory load is without a doubt B&P Comp 1.
Try them.

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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
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B&P Comp 1 are way to much money. IMO

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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:40 pm 
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Want soft? Drop to 1oz; any online recoil calculator will show you that

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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:28 pm 
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Lowest would be Federal Subsonic at 900 fps, but I don't know how useful they would be for your needs.

Old Cabelas Herters at ~1050 were soft, but they are no longer sold by Cabelas.

Any USA* made shell at ~1150 fps. Any color, any brand**.

**There is a cult that claims Federal Papers recoil less. Dunno.

*I say USA made simply because I have read on this forum that the velocity of Euro-ammo is measured differently than USA ammo.


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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:48 pm 
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B&P comp one for sure.

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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:03 pm 
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B&P used to make a 1 1/8 ounce 1150 or 1160 fps load. Don't see it listed anymore.


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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:18 pm 
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lt0026 wrote:
B&P used to make a 1 1/8 ounce 1150 or 1160 fps load. Don't see it listed anymore.

There are a lot of 1 1/8 oz loads at 1145 fps. But that load is still stiffer than 1oz at 1180.

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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:28 pm 
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Sduncan wrote:
Rio Elites, that's been my go-to 1 1/8oz this year and have been amazed by the consistent hard breaks with what feels like less recoil than most 1oz target loads. Best part is I found them on sale so scored a pallet at around $48 per flat!

I know information like that has to be protected, but might you be so good as to share the identity of the retailer with us? Rio Elites are my favorite.

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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:11 pm 
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Auldthymer wrote:
lt0026 wrote:
B&P used to make a 1 1/8 ounce 1150 or 1160 fps load. Don't see it listed anymore.

There are a lot of 1 1/8 oz loads at 1145 fps. But that load is still stiffer than 1oz at 1180.


Yes, but the Opening Poster specifically asked about 1 1/8 ounce loads.

FWIW - X% change in either velocity or payload will result in a 2X% change in recoil.

If you absolutely, gotta know - Google up a shotgun recoil calculator.


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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:23 pm 
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Ok sounds like the rio elites are worth finding. Willing to try other B&P loads since the 1 1/8 f2 1300 is so much less recoil than I’d expect. I’ve never shot well with their f2 1oz 1300 load for whatever reason.


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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:26 pm 
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J.Fred_Muggs wrote:
Auldthymer wrote:
lt0026 wrote:
B&P used to make a 1 1/8 ounce 1150 or 1160 fps load. Don't see it listed anymore.

There are a lot of 1 1/8 oz loads at 1145 fps. But that load is still stiffer than 1oz at 1180.


Yes, but the Opening Poster specifically asked about 1 1/8 oz load.

Yes, but it is our job to put people back on the proper path.

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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:46 pm 
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Auldthymer wrote:
lt0026 wrote:
B&P used to make a 1 1/8 ounce 1150 or 1160 fps load. Don't see it listed anymore.

There are a lot of 1 1/8 oz loads at 1145 fps. But that load is still stiffer than 1oz at 1180.

1oz @ 1250, in an 8.5# gun gives 16.9 ft/lbs of recoil
1-1/8oz @ 1145 (same weight gun) gives 17.6
You can go as fast as 1290 with 1oz and be where you are with 1-1/8 @ 1145



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