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 Post subject: Re: Squad Sizes-8 is too much!
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:31 pm 
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Did not take long for this thread to get off track.

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 Post subject: Re: Squad Sizes-8 is too much!
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 4:15 pm 
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YevetS wrote:
Did not take long for this thread to get off track.

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Always seems to be the same person.


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 Post subject: Re: Squad Sizes-8 is too much!
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 5:06 pm 
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Q: What is the LOP for a Remington 1100 20 gauge from the 1970s?

A: SYO is the devil.


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 Post subject: Re: Squad Sizes-8 is too much!
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 5:48 pm 
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Sometimes us shooters need to chill. Sometimes a club keeps itself going w/ a shoot like this. I'm not in love w/ SYO's but if I want to shoot I need to suas. Plus my game is so "off" right now , anyone can beat me. I am there to try to tune up and have fun.

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 Post subject: Re: Squad Sizes-8 is too much!
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:47 pm 
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Denver1911 wrote:
Q: What is the LOP for a Remington 1100 20 gauge from the 1970s?

A: SYO is the devil.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: So true.... Hard to comprehend sometimes how so many threads end up discussing the evils of SYO events and their rampant cheating.

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 Post subject: Re: Squad Sizes-8 is too much!
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:55 pm 
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sera wrote:
Sometimes us shooters need to chill. Sometimes a club keeps itself going w/ a shoot like this. I'm not in love w/ SYO's but if I want to shoot I need to suas. Plus my game is so "off" right now , anyone can beat me. I am there to try to tune up and have fun.


Agree with you on all counts. My shooting year has been challenging as well and am working thru some health and vision issues in hopes of righting the ship and getting back on track. No matter though, I am thankful when I am able to get out and enjoy the time at the range.

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 Post subject: Re: Squad Sizes-8 is too much!
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 7:20 pm 
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oneounceload wrote:
Personally, I prefer 4 man squads; but as the others have stated, you should have simply skipped ahead and then come back around; much simpler than waiting in the rain for a slow squad.


Agree, I feel 4 should be max.


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 Post subject: Re: Squad Sizes-8 is too much!
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 7:26 pm 
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Denver1911 wrote:
Q: What is the LOP for a Remington 1100 20 gauge from the 1970s?

A: SYO is the devil.


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 Post subject: Re: Squad Sizes-8 is too much!
PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:00 am 
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Its not always squad size that slows things down. Sometimes its the routine of the shooters in the squad. Get in the box, load the gun, align the shell logos so you can read them, breath deep 3 times, re-trace the target path, breath 3 times again, shot the targets and repeat.
I would much rather shoot behind a 6 man squad that gets in the box and shoots then a 4 man squad that has the routine mentioned above.

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 Post subject: Re: Squad Sizes-8 is too much!
PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:19 am 
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Well it seems that euro-squadding is not understood by these comments

" Furthermore, it would have been inconsiderate to someone behind us when we would have to go back and cut in front to finish.

"How does a squad work in a euro start? I thought Euro was every man for himself"

Perhaps a European or someone could explain this to us?


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 Post subject: Re: Squad Sizes-8 is too much!
PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:44 am 
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YevetS wrote:
Its not always squad size that slows things down. Sometimes its the routine of the shooters in the squad. Get in the box, load the gun, align the shell logos so you can read them, breath deep 3 times, re-trace the target path, breath 3 times again, shot the targets and repeat.
I would much rather shoot behind a 6 man squad that gets in the box and shoots then a 4 man squad that has the routine mentioned above.

Steve

Agreed. But ... I’d rather shoot behind a 6-person squad of shooters than any sized squad with ONE of the aforementioned ilk.

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 Post subject: Re: Squad Sizes-8 is too much!
PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:08 am 
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Without having put a stopwatch on it myself I have to ask, are two 4 person squads really faster than one 8 person squad?


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 Post subject: Re: Squad Sizes-8 is too much!
PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:12 am 
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lt0026 wrote:
Those of us that want a fair and level playing field know where to find it. I prefer not to work for the club and have someone else throw the targets and keep score. I'll gladly pay the extra $15-20. The investment is minute compared to the other expenses in this game.



Agree. I think the 'hand out scorecards and don't care what happens on the course' comment is also right on.


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 Post subject: Re: Squad Sizes-8 is too much!
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YevetS wrote:
Its not always squad size that slows things down. Sometimes its the routine of the shooters in the squad. Get in the box, load the gun, align the shell logos so you can read them, breath deep 3 times, re-trace the target path, breath 3 times again, shot the targets and repeat.
I would much rather shoot behind a 6 man squad that gets in the box and shoots then a 4 man squad that has the routine mentioned above.

Steve


Well said. SUAS!


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 Post subject: Re: Squad Sizes-8 is too much!
PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:29 am 
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I have been putting on shoots and attending shoots for about 20 yrs. There is no way that the shoot mgmt can police all the shooters all the time , even when the shoot is squadded and has set start times.

It doesn't mean that they don't care. They just can't afford the extra costs. And --trust me when I say this -- the shooters do not want to be the "shoot police".

Once , our state shoot did not have trappers b/c the club dropped the ball. They are not likely to have it again. This year , our state shoot had teen-aged girls , who did an OK job considering. Things will never be perfect.

Why , you say ???

B/c the shooters really don't care.

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 Post subject: Re: Squad Sizes-8 is too much!
PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:40 am 
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Misplaced Lead wrote:
Without having put a stopwatch on it myself I have to ask, are two 4 person squads really faster than one 8 person squad?

Longer. 2 processes of getting score cards organized and 2 sets of show pairs.


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 Post subject: Re: Squad Sizes-8 is too much!
PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 1:29 pm 
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TruePairLover wrote:
Misplaced Lead wrote:
Without having put a stopwatch on it myself I have to ask, are two 4 person squads really faster than one 8 person squad?

Longer. 2 processes of getting score cards organized and 2 sets of show pairs.


Not if there’s an open station in front of them, so two people could be shooting at the same time.

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 Post subject: Re: Squad Sizes-8 is too much!
PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 2:31 pm 
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AZ Dutch wrote:
TruePairLover wrote:
Misplaced Lead wrote:
Without having put a stopwatch on it myself I have to ask, are two 4 person squads really faster than one 8 person squad?

Longer. 2 processes of getting score cards organized and 2 sets of show pairs.


Not if there’s an open station in front of them, so two people could be shooting at the same time.


Ok, both those statements make sense - depends on course capacity and attendance. At my club we don't typically have empty stations, so hadn't considered that. More factors in this equation than it seemed, thanks for helping me see that...


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 Post subject: Re: Squad Sizes-8 is too much!
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Misplaced Lead wrote:
Without having put a stopwatch on it myself I have to ask, are two 4 person squads really faster than one 8 person squad?

Yes, approximately 1/2 the time since you have people shooting different stations at the same time.
I've been behind a 8 man squad and a 11 person squad before. we were the last off the course both times and wasted more time waiting than we spent shooting. The 11 man squad was even worse since 4 of them were sharing guns.. Extremely aggregating to say the least.


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 Post subject: Re: Squad Sizes-8 is too much!
PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 7:07 pm 
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I know when I shot with my regular group, if we have more than 5, we split up in to two groups and each goes their own way and we meet up at lunch.



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