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 Post subject: 20 gauge Sporting shotgun
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:14 pm 
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I would like to buy a 20 gauge o/u for "Sporting Clays". (30" or 32" bbl) I no longer want to shoot 12 gauge because of recoil & currently don't own any 12's. Is it fair to say that the 20 bore will definately have less recoil than any o/u 12 gauge shooting standard target loads ? Meaning, if I shoot 7/8th oz loads in the 20 vs the 1 1/8 oz loads in the 12 ?

I am considering buying a Browning 725 Sporting model in 20 gauge. I do realize that a Remington 1100 Sporting 20 g will be softer shooting than the o/u, but I can't find a Remmy 1100 "new" anywhere right now.




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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Sporting shotgun
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:19 pm 
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Not necessarily, as the typical sporting 20 is still a pound or more less than any 12. it comes down to shooting the lightest and slowest payload in the heaviest gun that fits to mitigate both actual and perceived recoils.

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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Sporting shotgun
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:03 pm 
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Thank You for the quick reply. So in reality, shooting a 12 gauge o/u that weighs 1 lb more, firing a 1 1/8th oz target load might not kick as much as a lower weight 20 gauge shooting a 7/8th oz target load ?


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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Sporting shotgun
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:08 pm 
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johnnie g wrote:
Thank You for the quick reply. So in reality, shooting a 12 gauge o/u that weighs 1 lb more, firing a 1 1/8th oz target load might not kick as much as a lower weight 20 gauge shooting a 7/8th oz target load ?



Why shoot 1-1/8 in the 12 gauge? If you're worried about recoil shoot 1 ounce.

FWIW, I've not found that 20 gauge shotguns "kick" less than 12 gauge guns. Whatever recoil reduction you gain by the reduced payload is offset by the lighter weight of the gun.


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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Sporting shotgun
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:28 pm 
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i get way less punch from my k80 with 1oz loads (1200-1250fps) than i do any 20's i've owned. Caveat is my 20's have only been up to 7lbs. Likely an 8lb 20 would be pretty pleasant.


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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Sporting shotgun
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:35 pm 
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Agree completely that going to a 1 ounce payload at a reasonable speed....1150-1200fps will be a game changer for you when it comes to recoil using your existing 12 gauge gun.

But if you really want to add a smaller bore O/U, the 725 is a fine gun and available in both 20 or 28 gauge. The 28 gauge is very pleasant to shoot but the downside is you pretty much will need to reload to keep the ammo cost in line.

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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Sporting shotgun
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:36 pm 
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johnnie g wrote:
Thank You for the quick reply. So in reality, shooting a 12 gauge o/u that weighs 1 lb more, firing a 1 1/8th oz target load might not kick as much as a lower weight 20 gauge shooting a 7/8th oz target load ?


Shoot 1oz, or even 7/8th oz at moderate velocity in your 12. You’ll be very pleasantly surprised.


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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Sporting shotgun
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:48 pm 
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Rooster booster wrote:
johnnie g wrote:
Thank You for the quick reply. So in reality, shooting a 12 gauge o/u that weighs 1 lb more, firing a 1 1/8th oz target load might not kick as much as a lower weight 20 gauge shooting a 7/8th oz target load ?


Shoot 1oz, or even 7/8th oz at moderate velocity in your 12. You’ll be very pleasantly surprised.


I currently don't own any 12's, but after reading what has been posted, I might consider one. I just assumed the 7/8th oz load in a 20 would feel lighter than a 1 1/8th oz in a 12. (just goes to show me not to assume)


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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Sporting shotgun
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:50 pm 
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and it's a very reasonable assumption! certainly was mine. but just hasn't proven to be true for me. i almost never shoot 1 1/8oz.


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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Sporting shotgun
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:55 pm 
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Very common, be the beneficiary of those of that had to learn the hard way.:-)


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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Sporting shotgun
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:05 pm 
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if you think your going to reduce recoil by going to a 20 gauge your fooling yourself, if you want to go down in recoil then move down to a 28 gauge or 410 or 16. 20 gauge is just a short 12 basically. Alot of the 12 gauge loads mirror a 20 gauge load and or vice versa actually.

You'd be moving to a lighter small gun yet still shooting about the same load..........or just keep shooting your 12 gauge but go down to 7/8th oz and 1145 FPS.

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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Sporting shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:00 am 
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I began clays shooting a 28 gauge O/U (Rizzini) and wound up becoming a reloader. Its worked out well for me...

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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Sporting shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:07 am 
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........and the obvious answer is to shoot a semi auto 12 gauge like the Beretta A 400.


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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Sporting shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:31 am 
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Here's another idea:

Buy an O/U 12 (Browning, etc) and then get a set of 20 ga tubes. Now you have both and when you add the tubes, you will increase the weight overall. You will be happy either way! :lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Sporting shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:57 am 
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You mitigate recoil by lightening the payload and increasing firearm weight.

It is silly to do this by buying a 20 gauge when you can buy 7/8 ounce 12 gauge shells from Federal or Rio or others.

If you want a 20 gauge, buy it, but not for the reason of lowering recoil. It will likely be a lighter gun than a 12, thus increasing recoil given the same shell payload.

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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Sporting shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:58 am 
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The difference in weight between a 725 Sporting in 12 ga vs 20 is 7 oz per Browning's published specs. Not 1 lb, but 7 oz. The 30" 12 ga is listed at 7 lb 8 oz. The 20 ga is listed at 7lb 1 oz. I shoot a 725 Sporting 20 ga and don't find the recoil bad at all, but some may feel it differently depending on stock fit and whether you mount it properly.


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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Sporting shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:06 am 
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Get the 12 and shoot 3/4oz loads out of it...Rio makes them I think. I shot skeet with a guy that purchased them, been a couple years ago, so maybe they stopped making them.

Also as others have mentioned, going to a lighter gun will not help in the recoil area. I run 3/4oz 12 reloads through my 687 Diamond Pigeon (9lbs) and my wife's 687 Silver Pigeon III 20 (7lbs) with 3/4oz reloads recoils harder to me.

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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Sporting shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:53 am 
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Get the 12 and shoot 3/4oz loads out of it...Rio makes them I think. I shot skeet with a guy that purchased them, been a couple years ago, so maybe they stopped making them.

Also as others have mentioned, going to a lighter gun will not help in the recoil area. I run 3/4oz 12 reloads through my 687 Diamond Pigeon (9lbs) and my wife's 687 Silver Pigeon III 20 (7lbs) with 3/4oz reloads recoils harder to me.


Well, yes, of course your heavier gun shooting the same payload at the same velocity will recoil less. That's just the laws of physics at play. The other side of the coin though is not everyone can or wants to waive a 9 lb gun around. In sporting clays and skeet, getting your shotgun up to speed is important and for some that will be easier with a lighter gun. An older friend of mine sold his K80 and bought a K20 because the K80 was too heavy for him. It was difficult for him to get the heavier gun up to speed and he was shooting behind lots of targets.


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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Sporting shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:30 am 
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I have rotator cuff issues and I started shooting my 391 20ga. I'm not a very good shot but I shoot it almost as well as my big guns. Very soft shooter and swings fast. Much less felt recoil than my Krieghoff 20ga. also.


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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Sporting shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:34 am 
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twohigh wrote:
The difference in weight between a 725 Sporting in 12 ga vs 20 is 7 oz per Browning's published specs. Not 1 lb, but 7 oz. The 30" 12 ga is listed at 7 lb 8 oz. The 20 ga is listed at 7lb 1 oz. I shoot a 725 Sporting 20 ga and don't find the recoil bad at all, but some may feel it differently depending on stock fit and whether you mount it properly.


I have 3 Browning O/Us - 2 12s and a 20. The 12s weigh 8.5# and the 20 (Ultra) weighs 7#-4oz; that is quite a significant difference.



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