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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Sporting shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:25 pm 
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My Browning 12 ga Ultra Sporter Plus and my Miroku Mk 38 12 ga. are also both 8lb + shotguns too but then they're not on the lower profile/smaller 725 action. I don't own a 725 12 ga and so went off the Browning specs. I guess I'm not real recoil sensitive as I can't say I've noticed a significant difference between my 8 lb. 12 ga guns shooting 1 oz and my 725 20 ga. shooting 7/8 oz.




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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Sporting shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:20 pm 
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I was loading minimum velocity 3/4 oz 20 G shells for my grandson to use in a 870 wingmaster with a youth stock . Light but pressure too low,unburned powder. He’s older now & retired the wingmaster.

Ended up with two “ standard “ 3/4 oz 20 G loads. One with Green Dot in GC hulls for my 391 sporting that has 8 oz in the buttstock stock 8 more with a Briley mag cap. 7 1/2 lbs total. It cycles best higher pressure.

Other 3/4 oz load in AA hulls using 20/28 for a 12 G Beretta 687 with fitted 20 G barrels 8 lbs & a Parker Trojan 6 lbs 8 oz. Both loads straight from Alliants on line load manual & perform well.

Other day round of Clays with my Son & Grandson all 3 20 G guns. 7 1/2 lb 391 Auto least recoil. 8 lb OU close 2nd. 6lb 8 oz Parker noticeably more recoil. No substitute for gun weight & the Gas Auto has the advantage even with 8 oz less gun weight. Like the Parker SxS but it’s harder to shoot a light gun & its not just the recoil.

I use 1 oz in that 687 with its 12 G barrels & 1 1/8 oz in a 391 field. Nice shooting loads more recoil than the 3/4 oz 20s. Keep some 7/8 oz 20g in my bag, with tight chokes they are effective on longer targets.

If you go 20 add weight to a Gas gun or fit 20 barrels on a 12 frame my advise

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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Sporting shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:39 pm 
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Wow, very pertinent information ! I would like to Thank Everyone who replied, & now I need to make a decision.


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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Sporting shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:33 pm 
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One more thing on 7 1/2 lb 20 G autos & 8 lb OU 20 G. We shoot factory 7/8 loads in both mostly to obtain empties for 3/4 oz reloads & targets that need larger shot. Recoil modest either 3/4 or 7/8. I like 3/4 # 8 and tight chokes best. When going 7/8 oz 7 1/2 shot always.

Bass


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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Sporting shotgun
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:47 pm 
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Gas gun is the optimal solution. Add weight to stock and magazine to desired level of recoil.

One ounce 12ga loads (1180fps) in 8lb gun are about a pound+ heavier that 20ga loads (1200fps) in a 7lb gun. So 20ga is lighter recoiling, but only on paper. Shooting 7/8 12ga loads in a 8lb gun is pretty soft - 12lb. Federal and RIO makes a 7/8oz 12ga loads.

Use to shoot a 20ga 725 Sporter. Nice gun. Nice trigger. Sold and bought a CG Summit 20ga. Nice gun. Nice trigger. More money is the down side..

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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Sporting shotgun
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:32 pm 
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seb7515 wrote:
Gas gun is the optimal solution. Add weight to stock and magazine to desired level of recoil.

One ounce 12ga loads (1180fps) in 8lb gun are about a pound+ heavier that 20ga loads (1200fps) in a 7lb gun. So 20ga is lighter recoiling, but only on paper. Shooting 7/8 12ga loads in a 8lb gun is pretty soft - 12lb. Federal and RIO makes a 7/8oz 12ga loads.

Use to shoot a 20ga 725 Sporter. Nice gun. Nice trigger. Sold and bought a CG Summit 20ga. Nice gun. Nice trigger. More money is the down side..


I am questioning buying the 725 because I have been reading about tons of trigger problems. I might go with a Citori CXS, just deciding between 30" or 32" bbls.

Decisions decisions !


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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Sporting shotgun
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:44 pm 
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johnnie g wrote:
seb7515 wrote:
Gas gun is the optimal solution. Add weight to stock and magazine to desired level of recoil.

One ounce 12ga loads (1180fps) in 8lb gun are about a pound+ heavier that 20ga loads (1200fps) in a 7lb gun. So 20ga is lighter recoiling, but only on paper. Shooting 7/8 12ga loads in a 8lb gun is pretty soft - 12lb. Federal and RIO makes a 7/8oz 12ga loads.

Use to shoot a 20ga 725 Sporter. Nice gun. Nice trigger. Sold and bought a CG Summit 20ga. Nice gun. Nice trigger. More money is the down side..


I am questioning buying the 725 because I have been reading about tons of trigger problems. I might go with a Citori CXS, just deciding between 30" or 32" bbls.

Decisions decisions !


The CXS is a good choice, but there really aren’t very many trigger issues with the 725. Ours was very reliable.


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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Sporting shotgun
PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:45 am 
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Something to consider. If you are buying new shells 20ga 7/8oz. are common in most big box stores in the $5-6. range. 12 ga 7/8oz when you can find them are generally more expensive and a mail order proposition with shipping charges additional. If you're loading none of this matters. That said 7-7.5lb. 20ga guns are pleasant to shoot, 6 lb. not so much.


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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Sporting shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:09 am 
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I see absolutely nothing wrong with buying a 20 gauge configured the way you want. And you can add weight to it if you need to. Sounds like a good idea to me. Lets you shoot factory loads.

I am old and cheap and reload. I shoot 7/8 in my 12 gauge mostly for sporting. I hung on to the 12 gauge because I shoot 1 oz for trap. The 12 gauge (8 lb, 2 oz) does not feel a lot softer than the 7/8 in my lighter in weight 20 gauge. I know it "should" but...? I think the 20 gauge in a 7lb to 8 lb gun will be worlds softer shooting than 1 1/8 in a 8lb to 9lb gun. And the lighter weight barrels will make it swing easier.

I think you will love your new rig.


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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Sporting shotgun
PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2020 8:03 pm 
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PKW-Indiana wrote:
Here's another idea:

Buy an O/U 12 (Browning, etc) and then get a set of 20 ga tubes. Now you have both and when you add the tubes, you will increase the weight overall. You will be happy either way! :lol: :lol:

pk

That is what I did. You end up with a 9 lb gun. The recoil with 20ga shells is nil. I have a Browning 725 with Briley tubes.




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