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 Post subject: Bryan Bornes of Fiocchi on Shotgun Sports Podcast
PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:05 am 
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This was a very enlightening podcast on the status of the ammo shortage and what the next 6 months to a year will bring, not only for Fiocchi but the entire ammo industry as a whole.

Good listen

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 Post subject: Re: Bryan Bornes of Fiocchi on Shotgun Sports Podcast
PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:10 pm 
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One of my frustrations dealing with this industry is hard facts are very difficult to come by. Bryan started off talking in circles but finally gave some very interesting info. Two very interesting points for me were the incredible growth in purchases due to new gun ownership and the impact of the Remington bankruptcy. I didn't really think the new gun ownership situation had much bearing on the issue but if all those folks bought 4 boxes of shells that would have a serious impact. You have to do a little calculating on your own but Remington (he didn't call them by name) cut their production by 2/3rds when they went into bankruptcy. That amount over a full year was almost twice Fiocchi U.S.A. yearly production. Obviously supply chain disruptions and the ability to get raw materials were a problem during shut downs, particularly in Europe. If you have some time and are interested some time its worth a listen. Thanks for posting.


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 Post subject: Re: Bryan Bornes of Fiocchi on Shotgun Sports Podcast
PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:34 pm 
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Some other interesting points in this podcast about the ammunition shortfall -

1 - Fiocchi USA from 2019 to 2020 increased their shotshell production almost 45% due to very high demand. But they are at full capacity and about full overtime at their Ozark MO plant right now and have been for months. To increase their shotshell production now, they need more capacity as well as more trained workforce and supplies. Fiocchi has another plant that could make shotshells in Arkansas, but they are not yet close to production status.

1a - The whole US consumption of shotshells in 2020 was stated in the podcast to have been about 1.2 billion shells. Previous years - perhaps 25% that high. Of which Fiocchi USA supplied about 150 million on 2020. And a surprising amount of that was buckshot loads, although close to half of Fiocchi's production went to dove hunters in the Gulf Coast states.

2 - B&P, which was bought by Fiocchi recently, has extra shotshell production (factory) capacity right now. Fiocchi would like to get some of that capacity turned into pro0duction to import to the US. One of their near term goals. B&P will continue to run their own existing products. So, we may see a strong increase in volume of B&P shells once Fiocchi starts distributing them.

3 - Most Fiocchi shotshells sold in the US are now (and for several years have been) made in the US, at the Ozark, Missouri plant, with only the primed hulls coming from Italy. A few specialty loads like spreaders and papers are imported as loaded ammo.

4 - Fiocchi's warehouses are empty, their distributor level warehouses are empty at this point. There's no ammo being held back.

5 - They estimate now that the ammo industry may take all of 2021 to get to where demand can be close to being met. Not just Fiocchi, and not just shotshell products, but the whole industry. Even with the Lonoke, Arkansas, ex-Remington plant being brought back on line after Federal's purchase of that plant recently. The shotshell demand right now is running higher than has EVER been seen before by at least twice, and maybe more.

This podcast is important for most shooters to listen to, even if it starts off slow. It explains more than most of any other current information sources what is happening in ammo supply currently.

good luck, garrisonjoe


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 Post subject: Re: Bryan Bornes of Fiocchi on Shotgun Sports Podcast
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Another eye opener that contributed to demand on ammo.

8 million new gun owners in 2020 :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: Bryan Bornes of Fiocchi on Shotgun Sports Podcast
PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:40 pm 
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I saw elsewhere that estimates are may be closer to 12 million new, first time gun owners. That puts a lot of pressure on shotshell, pistol, and rifle ammo, and components to make them.

Bryan spoke like a sales and marketing manager! Circular (sales and service training)...establish contact and common ground, speak generally until you earn the right (bona fides) to ask, or give, specifics, etc. He did a good job without hyping anything.

The ammo manufacturers want to make and sell all they can, but they don't want to invest too much, too fast in new equipment, or plants, and then have some market equilibration (or rebound of Remington production) slow the frantic demand. They have to be business smart.

Hopefully, things will be better with regard to availability/price in the Summer/Fall time frame.

In the mean time, hang on for the ride may be bumpier.

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 Post subject: Re: Bryan Bornes of Fiocchi on Shotgun Sports Podcast
PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:48 pm 
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Take-5-JB wrote:
The ammo manufacturers want to make and sell all they can, but they don't want to invest too much, too fast in new equipment, or plants, and then have some market equilibration (or rebound of Remington production) slow the frantic demand. They have to be business smart.
JB


Actually, as Bryan mentioned, Fiocchi is investing in a new plant in Little Rock, however this will be Centerfire ammo only. This will no doubt increase their capacity for pistol/rifle ammo production.

https://katv.com/news/local/fiocchi-amm ... CK%20(KATV)%20%E2%80%94%20Fiocchio,will%20create%20about%2085%20jobs.

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 Post subject: Re: Bryan Bornes of Fiocchi on Shotgun Sports Podcast
PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:24 am 
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garrisonjoe wrote:
Some other interesting points in this podcast about the ammunition shortfall -

1 - Fiocchi USA from 2019 to 2020 increased their shotshell production almost 45% due to very high demand. But they are at full capacity and about full overtime at their Ozark MO plant right now and have been for months. To increase their shotshell production now, they need more capacity as well as more trained workforce and supplies. Fiocchi has another plant that could make shotshells in Arkansas, but they are not yet close to production status.

1a - The whole US consumption of shotshells in 2020 was stated in the podcast to have been about 1.2 billion shells. Previous years - perhaps 25% that high. Of which Fiocchi USA supplied about 150 million on 2020. And a surprising amount of that was buckshot loads, although close to half of Fiocchi's production went to dove hunters in the Gulf Coast states.

2 - B&P, which was bought by Fiocchi recently, has extra shotshell production (factory) capacity right now. Fiocchi would like to get some of that capacity turned into pro0duction to import to the US. One of their near term goals. B&P will continue to run their own existing products. So, we may see a strong increase in volume of B&P shells once Fiocchi starts distributing them.

3 - Most Fiocchi shotshells sold in the US are now (and for several years have been) made in the US, at the Ozark, Missouri plant, with only the primed hulls coming from Italy. A few specialty loads like spreaders and papers are imported as loaded ammo.

4 - Fiocchi's warehouses are empty, their distributor level warehouses are empty at this point. There's no ammo being held back.

5 - They estimate now that the ammo industry may take all of 2021 to get to where demand can be close to being met. Not just Fiocchi, and not just shotshell products, but the whole industry. Even with the Lonoke, Arkansas, ex-Remington plant being brought back on line after Federal's purchase of that plant recently. The shotshell demand right now is running higher than has EVER been seen before by at least twice, and maybe more.

This podcast is important for most shooters to listen to, even if it starts off slow. It explains more than most of any other current information sources what is happening in ammo supply currently.

good luck, garrisonjoe


Thanks Garrison, good recap.




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