This ^.

True dat.

Hey all, Sorry for the late reply. Thanks for all the great info!

Part of my concern was all these grumpy people I hear about. And when I looked through the ATA magazines I was given, while it is a very low percentage, there are a hand full of people each mag that look like they just as soon see the camera man dead... (mostly joking)

That said my range is NOTHING but nice people. And I have not had a bad encounter yet (crosses fingers)

So I gather that just loading this recipe from Hodgdon's is fine? (my bushing averages .3grs less)

Rem STS... Hodgdon Titewad Win. 209 CB-4100-12 20.9grs 8,500 PSI 1,350 fps

In this case I am using exact components.

That said, I have not even settled on a load yet, This just happens to be another test that also happens to be my first test at max fps with a trap load. So time to start confirming this type of stuff!


Thanks for the info and reassurance!


I did check the rules, it completely leaves it open to the judges it seems. I just wanted to clarify if there was a standard I could expect to need to adhere to. But you and the rest of the people make me feel like I am just getting anxious over nothing so that is good positive info I am hearing.


I would LOVE to shoot a black powder match! would mind the loading time a bit if it was breech load even lol! But I expect it would be simpler to use brass or just regular hulls as well o and only black powder. But absolutely something I will try in the future!

The scenario with the Garmin stuff is part of why I was asking, It would make factory ammo hard to use depending on gun and choke combo maybe? Or Factory ammo is excluded but reloads are judged by velocity from your gun? It is an interesting thing to think about with the addition of the tech you are talking about.

Thanks!

I just looked at the Hodgdon data online, and the heaviest charge they list for Titewad with your choice of components is 19.6 gr. The listed velocity is 1290.

The heaviest charge of Titewad with any primer, or wad, is 20.2.

Where did you get that data?

Edited for a typo

19.6 gr. is the limit for your components according to the Hodgdon site: 1290 fps.

If it is printed on the box as the stated velocity and if it is above the STATED ATA Rule, then it is breaking the Rule.

No, the rules don't say that at all. Factory boxes don't mean much and in the case of reloads, they mean nothing.

Sorry I was not clear, I forgot to say the shot weight. It is for a 7/8th oz load. The one ounce does top out at 1290, but the 7/8 go up to 1400. This was just an example btw. I am shooting this exact load right now just trying it out, But I am unsure if that is the load I would take to a competition since I am still learning and trying different loads for effectiveness and cost savings.

Wait a minute ..... the ATA rule does have stated limits and ATA officials do believe the ammo manufactures printed performance. There are complaints on file based on this simple observation.

Maltz

Sorry Randy, don't be disingenuous. You know that factory ammo is tested to SAAMI standards and any shoot official who knows the rules would DQ anyone with factory ammo over the maximums.

I see no problem if a guy is using a factory box for his reloads except that if he is showing up to an ATA shoot with his reloads in over the limit boxes he is pretty much a fool for appearances sake.

I brought this up a longtime ago and got mixed answers... but didn't the grand require certain events to be issued only factory ammo sold at the grand to avoid all this confusion at one time in history?

From the 2019 ATA Grand American shoot program.

"AMMUNITION: New shells are mandatory for all Handicap events and Handicap shootoffs. Shooters will be able to bring their own shells (including reloads for Single and Double events) or may buy shells through Gamaliel Shooting Supply at the shell house at retail pricing. The shell house closes at 6 P.M., so make sure that you get your shootoff shells before 6 P.M. Violations of the shell standards as listed in the ATA rule book will be dealt with aggressively including possible long suspensions."

My understanding is that handicap is the big purse event with lots of sponsor money. It looks to me that you don't have to buy the shells for that event from the event's shell house but they have to be (legal) factory loads.

Yes , shell were included in the event entry fee .

Prior to the move to Sparta, your were required to shoot factory loads from the ATA shell house in all Grand American events. Your Grand American entry fee for each event included the price of shells. For each 100 target event, you received a voucher for 4 boxes of shells that you exchanged for shells at the ATA shell house. After the move to Sparta, reloads were allowed for all events. I believe it was 2010 that they brought back the factory load requirement for handicap events only. You can purchase them from the on-site shell house, or bring your own.

bingo.
if only they did it again like tal' said, no more issues.
thanks.

btw, last time I checked, some matches at camp perry are still that way for EIC events.

Did they provide a couple of extra shells for no-bird shoot overs? I always have a couple of extra shells in my shell holder for things like that.

if I remember correctly, the scorers had them at their chairs.

Not that I recall. But you could buy additional shells at the shell house.

So related update. not about anyone complaining but just something interesting.

I tested my loads on a chrono and also tested some of my friends and some stock ammo as well.

Only my friends loads where near expected data shot out of his Browning CTX. All the loads shot out of my Mossberg 500 as well as most of the loads shot out of my 1100 with a 22 in slug barrel was a minimum of 500 fps over written data on the factory box or my load data. And in some cases 1000-1500fps over. The really hot load was a factory super sport AA not legal for trap but the box said 3000 and i was getting 4400-4500.

This box of ammo also kicks like a dang magnum so it could be an odd factory box.

The 1100 had a open choke and my mossberg was a full iirc.

I am planning on doing some more testing; Not because of my original question on the thread, you all alleviated my fears, but just because I am curious now, I just thought it was interesting how much a difference there was.

edit: This is all off memory, my chrono decided not to record my results cause my phone didnt connect right. But Me and 2 other people where kinda floored by how much a difference it was compared to what we expected. When i test more I will make sure the app is recording.

"Whatcha talkin' about Willis?" 1000 fps over wha? 4400 fps out of a wha? Normally I would assume this is a typo but there are too many of them. Is this a poor attempt at a joke? Anyone making sense out of this or is it just not worth the effort?