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 Post subject: Getting a shotgun fitted?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:43 am 
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Hey all.

If I got a shotgun fitted how does that work. Do I need to have the gun I want fitted with me or do they have a custom measuring gun and give me dimensions that should be a basic fit for me?

Also anyone know of an area in Southern AZ where I can get a fitting done and how much it might cost me?

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 Post subject: Re: Getting a shotgun fitted?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:53 am 
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You can get a basic fit with an adjustable stock with pad adjuster with LOP with toe and pitch, also parallel adjustable comb, vertical/horizontal.

Or a custom fitter that will manufacture stock to your specs. He would use a more adjustable featured stock or try-stock to find your needs. Then cut your stock to your specs. Plan on spending over 3000 bucks.

You can also order Rollin Oswald (posts here) gut fit book. Another good book is Jeff Meloy's Understanding Shotgun stocks. Both will allow you to learn how to fit yourself for a lifetime. Your friends will also want your help. Maybe because they like you or looking for free gun fit.

Shooting any clay discipline or hunting, a well fitted stock make a huge difference in success. The other requirement is setting POI either by stock or adjustable rib. It only seems like rocket science, actually shooting well is much easier than you think.

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 Post subject: Re: Getting a shotgun fitted?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:22 am 
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Location: Trinidad, CO
I traveled about 340 miles each way and spent 2 nights in a motel to be custom fitted. Basically I showed up, answered a bunch of questions and did a gazillion dry mounts as Phil took copious notes. He exchanged my recoil pad for a temporary one for a minor pitch adjustment and we were off to the pattern board. Ten shots or so later we went over to his trap range. My game is Sporting so he had me shoot clays from every direction, high, low, you name it. I guessing about 50, maybe 75 clays. I was having so much fun, I didn't really pay attention.

Next we went into his vaults of wood blanks, and I mean to tell you serious "Wood Porn". Not having a clue but enjoying myself immensely, I told Phil to pick out a piece of wood for me. I shoot a F3 and he felt that he wanted to increase the weight in the stock a few ounces. He showed me a piece and it looked great to me. This took about 2 hours.

I returned the next day and he had a roughed out stock ready to go. I had elected to go with an adjustable comb which is included in the base price. We went to the pattern board and I was hitting just off of center. I thought it was because of the difference in how it felt and the larger recoil pad. What had happened was that Phil had adjusted it slightly off to bring me on to center. It kept me from aiming. I specifically wanted a 50/50 arrangement and that is what it showed.

Then we were back on the Trap range and again we were circling around the wobble trap with me shooting at as many presentations as possible. I felt like I was using a laser pointer. I was hitting everything. If I did just 2 things, keep my face on the stock and focus at the bird, well, nothing but dust. I went through a 100 rounds in what seemed no time at all. We then headed back to the shop which I estimate is 35-40 yards behind the trap. He stopped me and said try a few shots from where we standing. I called pulled and missed the first 2 attempts. He said cover the bird a little, my 50/50, but I still missed the next shot. He takes the gun and adjusts the comb up about an 1/8 ". Voila!!! I couldn't miss.

This also took about 2 hours. I returned home and in 2 weeks, there was a FedEx delivery. I was as excited as a puppy with 2 peters. The wood is awesome and the attention to detail is to die for. I shot about 1,000 or so rounds to get use to the new feel of the gun. I shot it in all gauges. I would say that on average it has added 10 birds to my score. I thought that would grow but now I dealing with the cataract issues. Asked me again after my surgery.

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 Post subject: Re: Getting a shotgun fitted?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:35 am 
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Thanks for the info Maltzhan and Gunsite Guy. I think I will order the books and look them over at first. Gonna be a bit down the road before I would feel comfortable with spending that much on a gun. Need to find the right gun first!

But it is something I want to do. I am really enjoying Trap shooting so plan on going as far down the rabbit hole as I can.

Again thanks for the info.


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 Post subject: Re: Getting a shotgun fitted?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:29 pm 
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Paul Hilmer did my measurements at world skeet shoot, used a try gun with lots of adjustables


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 Post subject: Re: Getting a shotgun fitted?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:14 pm 
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kyskeet wrote:
Paul Hilmer did my measurements at world skeet shoot, used a try gun with lots of adjustables



As in he gave you some numbers (or something) you could use to get a stock made later?


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 Post subject: Re: Getting a shotgun fitted?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:43 pm 
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He, made my stock. Measurement was first week of Oct. emailed me first of May to send my gun to him, got it back finished 1st week of June.


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 Post subject: Re: Getting a shotgun fitted?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:49 pm 
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kyskeet wrote:
He, made my stock. Measurement was first week of Oct. emailed me first of May to send my gun to him, got it back finished 1st week of June.


Thanks for the info! I am just trying to sponge up as much as I can about the stuff I plan to do / get done.


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 Post subject: Re: Getting a shotgun fitted?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:46 am 
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Gunsite Guy wrote:
I traveled about 340 miles each way and spent 2 nights in a motel to be custom fitted. Basically I showed up, answered a bunch of questions and did a gazillion dry mounts as Phil took copious notes. etc.


If I may ask, GG, Phil who??


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 Post subject: Re: Getting a shotgun fitted?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:41 pm 
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Location: Trinidad, CO
Phil Simms, his place is near Grand Junction, Colorado. You can find numerous positive comments on the ATA web site. If you would like more info, feel free to PM me.

I am off to the Utah State Tuesday and have no idea of internet access on my phone. Feel free to call me at 303-807-7400. Leave a message and I will call you back.

Phil is a star and you won't be disappointed.

s/f Steve


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 Post subject: Re: Getting a shotgun fitted?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:34 pm 
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Thanks, GG. I know who Phil Simms is. Good to hear from another happy customer of his. If I need stock work in the future, he'll be the first I call.


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 Post subject: Re: Getting a shotgun fitted?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:53 pm 
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If you're still looking for more info, maybe try stopping by the Autumn Grand in Tucson next month. You may be able to get to info from the vendors there.


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 Post subject: Re: Getting a shotgun fitted?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:16 am 
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A gun fit story for you.........

Last winter while shooting very cold weather I dropped my K-80 with custom stock on the concreate. The stock cracked which upset me not only because I was shooting it very well, but that was custom stock #2 broken within 4 years.

On an emotional whim I order a PFS mechanical stock to finish out winter shooting. As a studied stock fitter and easy to follow instructions for the PFS I had to stock on target and set the recoil reduction for my preference.

As a lover of fine grade wood, this ugly mechanical stock was hard to accept. In performance it beat all the custom stock Ive owned. Once adjusted for the 27 yard line my cap average went up, although my singles average remain slightly lower.

At this point in time, near a year latter, I'm shooting that ugly "terminator" stock and have no plans to order another wood stock. Have 2 more K-80's with wood and thinking of changing one of those to a PFS stock as well. There is something special about being able to adjust (micro-adjust) your personal gun fit and recoil reduction. Its great to be able to try stock changes using an allen wrench and being able to go back to the previous setting if it didn't work.

I'm all in on ugly (I guess).....Maltz

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 Post subject: Re: Getting a shotgun fitted?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:31 am 
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maltzahn wrote:
A gun fit story for you.........

Last winter while shooting very cold weather I dropped my K-80 with custom stock on the concreate. The stock cracked which upset me not only because I was shooting it very well, but that was custom stock #2 broken within 4 years.

On an emotional whim I order a PFS mechanical stock to finish out winter shooting. As a studied stock fitter and easy to follow instructions for the PFS I had to stock on target and set the recoil reduction for my preference.

As a lover of fine grade wood, this ugly mechanical stock was hard to accept. In performance it beat all the custom stock Ive owned. Once adjusted for the 27 yard line my cap average went up, although my singles average remain slightly lower.

At this point in time, near a year latter, I'm shooting that ugly "terminator" stock and have no plans to order another wood stock. Have 2 more K-80's with wood and thinking of changing one of those to a PFS stock as well. There is something special about being able to adjust (micro-adjust) your personal gun fit and recoil reduction. Its great to be able to try stock changes using an allen wrench and being able to go back to the previous setting if it didn't work.

I'm all in on ugly (I guess).....Maltz

Maltz, how much butt pad adjustment is there? How much can the gun be lowered or raised? Also how much cast can be applied? Thanks.

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 Post subject: Re: Getting a shotgun fitted?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:22 am 
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Auldthymer wrote:
how much butt pad adjustment is there? How much can the gun be lowered or raised? Also how much cast can be applied? Thanks.


Why not call PFS yourself? https://precisionfitstocks.com/

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 Post subject: Re: Getting a shotgun fitted?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:09 pm 
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hopper810 wrote:
Auldthymer wrote:
how much butt pad adjustment is there? How much can the gun be lowered or raised? Also how much cast can be applied? Thanks.


Why not call PFS yourself? https://precisionfitstocks.com/

Certainly a good idea. I keep confusing them with TSK which is harder to get in touch with. Thanks for the link.

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 Post subject: Re: Getting a shotgun fitted?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:17 pm 
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Auldthymer wrote:
hopper810 wrote:
Auldthymer wrote:
how much butt pad adjustment is there? How much can the gun be lowered or raised? Also how much cast can be applied? Thanks.


Why not call PFS yourself? https://precisionfitstocks.com/

Certainly a good idea. I keep confusing them with TSK which is harder to get in touch with. Thanks for the link.


Have you tried learning about TSK via Coles? Probably easier than trying them in Italy.


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 Post subject: Re: Getting a shotgun fitted?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:27 pm 
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Rooster booster wrote:
Auldthymer wrote:
hopper810 wrote:

Why not call PFS yourself? https://precisionfitstocks.com/

Certainly a good idea. I keep confusing them with TSK which is harder to get in touch with. Thanks for the link.


Have you tried learning about TSK via Coles? Probably easier than trying them in Italy.

Another good idea. I did try once but got someone on the phone who didn’t have a clue. It’s just curiosity at this point anyways so not much driving force for an answer.

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 Post subject: Re: Getting a shotgun fitted?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:57 am 
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Precision Fit Stocks has a new owner expanding the product line and options. need to go to the web site.

My stock was ordered with a Krieghoff K-80 grip. One option was for the K-80 old style or ACS with a lower rib on the under single or for the new K-80 Special with higher rib configuration. Mine is a Special, but believe it would adjust if installed on my old models. There seems to no adjustment that can't be made. Just choose for the stock to be sent left or right handed. It can be configured to a youth / small lady shooter or someone over 6'5" and pro football size. The amount of travel for recoil reduction is also adjusted by the operator. A very effective recoil manager.

Recoil on my PFS is not set for the least recoil, it set to not collapse before the shot is fired when mounted properly/ my properly.

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 Post subject: Re: Getting a shotgun fitted?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:46 pm 
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maltzahn wrote:
Precision Fit Stocks has a new owner expanding the product line and options. need to go to the web site.

My stock was ordered with a Krieghoff K-80 grip. One option was for the K-80 old style or ACS with a lower rib on the under single or for the new K-80 Special with higher rib configuration. Mine is a Special, but believe it would adjust if installed on my old models. There seems to no adjustment that can't be made. Just choose for the stock to be sent left or right handed. It can be configured to a youth / small lady shooter or someone over 6'5" and pro football size. The amount of travel for recoil reduction is also adjusted by the operator. A very effective recoil manager.

Recoil on my PFS is not set for the least recoil, it set to not collapse before the shot is fired when mounted properly/ my properly.

Maltz

That makes sense.



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