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 Post subject: Effect of gun weight
PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:20 am 
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Yesterday, I shot a 100-bird sporting clays Charity event. When I was done, a shooter I know offered to let me shoot his new A400 Extreme and I accepted. I first noticed that it was about a pound and a half lighter than my Citori which I had been shooting. Then, I noticed the Kick-Off feature on the Beretta. I mentioned both of these to the owner, who said that was why he got the gun; his scores would drop during the last third of an event when using his heavier O/U.
I shot it at two pair and was amazed to find it's recoil was much more noticeable than on my Citori. A gas-operated autoloader, with a recoil device, had more felt recoil than my O/U???!!! (I used the same ammo as I had with my gun during the event)
I guess there is a lot to be said for gun weight.

(NOTE: the Citori does have a Limbsaver Airtech recoil pad on it....)




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 Post subject: Re: Effect of gun weight
PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:31 am 
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The Limbsaver AirTech does a great job. I have a new citori. May I ask what model number you put on your citori??

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 Post subject: Re: Effect of gun weight
PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:00 am 
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You are talking about 1 pound of added weight and also most likely, a gun that doesn't quite fit you as well as your Browning does.

Using a recoil calculator and gun weights of 8 & 9 pounds with [email protected] 1200, the lighter gun has recoil of 16.7 and the heavier gun is 14.9; you would feel that difference, especially if the gun fit is not the same.

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 Post subject: Re: Effect of gun weight
PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:21 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Effect of gun weight
PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 2:47 pm 
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mudpack wrote:
I shot it at two pair and was amazed to find it's recoil was much more noticeable than on my Citori. A gas-operated autoloader, with a recoil device, had more felt recoil than my O/U???!!!


How can that be? Beretta says the state of the Art A400 kicks less.


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 Post subject: Re: Effect of gun weight
PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:03 pm 
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richg99 wrote:
The Limbsaver AirTech does a great job. I have a new citori. May I ask what model number you put on your citori?? thanks


The #10800. It's a very, very good fit.


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 Post subject: Re: Effect of gun weight
PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:32 pm 
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JoeCool wrote:
How can that be? Beretta says the state of the Art A400 kicks less.

That's the problem with advertising, Joe; they never tell you what it kicks less than.


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 Post subject: Re: Effect of gun weight
PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:33 pm 
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mudpack, thank you.


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 Post subject: Re: Effect of gun weight
PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:44 pm 
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Won't matter if it doesn't fit.............

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 Post subject: Re: Effect of gun weight
PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:27 am 
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I had an A400 Sporting (with out a Kick Off) and it had way less felt recoil than my 686 Sporting, both 12 gauge. I also have a 686 Field model in 20 gauge that the felt recoil is about the same as my 686 12 gauge. I am assuming because it's lighter. I also have a Beretta AL-2 S/A in 12 gauge that has less felt recoil than my 686 12. I mostly shoot my 686 12 although I do like that little 20 gauge. Hell I like em all.


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 Post subject: Re: Effect of gun weight
PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:37 pm 
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Felt or perceived recoil is the result of three things all of which are interrelated: They are gun weight, shooter confirmation (size and shape of the shooter), and shooting form (gun mount, head and neck posture, weight distribution and stance (foot placement).

A shotgun that is said to "fit" the shooter is one that allows him or her to use a good shooting form, which by its very nature, reduces felt recoil with a gun weight that the shooter can shoot without noticeable fatigue.

The most common cause of unacceptable recoil if a poorly fitting gun, which in turn, requires a corrupted shooting form to be used.

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 Post subject: Re: Effect of gun weight
PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:06 pm 
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Rollin Oswald wrote:
Felt or perceived recoil is the result of three things all of which are interrelated: They are gun weight, shooter confirmation (size and shape of the shooter), and shooting form (gun mount, head and neck posture, weight distribution and stance (foot placement).


I suppose you can add in clothing, recoil pads, age / flexibility / sensitivity of the shooter, gas-operation (or not), and the number of rounds fired per hour.

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 Post subject: Re: Effect of gun weight
PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:54 pm 
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If you relax your shoulder so that it is not tense and can recoil with the gun felt recoil can be greatly reduced. There is also the fact that some people just aren't very sensitive to recoil. I never even notice recoil at all unless I get my face misaligned during the shot and get bumped where it shouldn't be getting bump.

When practicing, I have no problem shooting 150, 3 dram rounds in an hour but I work on my shoulder muscle mass and relax it to absorb the recoil.


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 Post subject: Re: Effect of gun weight
PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:02 pm 
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Jim Tyner wrote:
...but I work on my shoulder muscle mass and relax it to absorb the recoil.

Lucky. I can't even find mine.

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 Post subject: Re: Effect of gun weight
PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:32 pm 
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Just added a Limbsaver recoil pad onto my Citori today. Hardly felt the 1 1/8 oz 12 gauge shells.

I am amazed at what the weight difference, and the pad, has done to my felt recoil...compared to my 12 gauge 870 pump..before adding a pad onto it. Just small tweaks and each one helped.


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 Post subject: Re: Effect of gun weight
PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:34 am 
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richg99 wrote:
Just added a Limbsaver recoil pad onto my Citori today. Hardly felt the 1 1/8 oz 12 gauge shells.

You don't say which Limbsaver you put on your Citori.

I have Limbsaver Classics on some guns and Limbsaver AirTechs on others. I think the AirTech is even better than the Classic. It does show more wear, but I shoot SC and 5-Stand both low gun, so there is somewhat more wear.
Increased wear is a small price to pay for enhanced recoil attenuation, in my mind. :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Effect of gun weight
PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:19 am 
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mudpack wrote:
A gas-operated autoloader, with a recoil device, had more felt recoil than my O/U???!!! (I used the same ammo as I had with my gun during the event)
I guess there is a lot to be said for gun weight.



The problem is that this is just one-incident reporting which doesn't mean anything. Felt recoil can be anything you say it is or think it is. It is "if you say so." You have a lot of guns to try rather than just one, and a lot of loads to try as well. A whole lot.

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 Post subject: Re: Effect of gun weight
PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 11:09 am 
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On the Citori, I put the Air Tech Limbsaver #10800, I believe.


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 Post subject: Re: Effect of gun weight
PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:30 am 
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RandyWakeman wrote:
The problem is that this is just one-incident reporting which doesn't mean anything. Felt recoil can be anything you say it is or think it is. It is "if you say so." You have a lot of guns to try rather than just one, and a lot of loads to try as well. A whole lot.


It's not a problem for me, Wakeman, the light autoloader hit me harder than the heavier O/U. It's an anecdote. I'm not attempting to play expert, I just report what I experience if it's interesting.
Otherwise I try to keep my mouth shut.


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 Post subject: Re: Effect of gun weight
PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:19 am 
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When I use 1 1/8oz loads I obviously have to lead more and I find that a heavier gun makes leading much smoother than a lighter gun which kinda makes me jerk a bit.



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