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 Post subject: Current production quality of 1100/1187 20 gauge?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:10 am 
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I am going to buy my grandson a new 20 gauge auto this weekend. I have always owned owned 1100's. I know that Remington quality on Marlin has been very poor since they bought the company. Has this carried over to the 1100/1187 line as well or has the reliability and quality been maintained? I have not bought a new Remington in over 20 years so thanks for any responses.




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 Post subject: Re: Current production quality of 1100/1187 20 gauge?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:25 am 
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I have or have had several new production Remingtons. The 20 ga 11-87 I owned functioned flawlessly, but was not what anyone would mistake for high quality. It was adequate for the price though, similar to the generally poor quality of any gun in that price range, from a Beretta A300 to a Browning Silver to a SX4.

If you are locked in to a 20 ga, most people feel there are better options in that price range, including the Turkish Mossberg or the SX3/4 20 ga. Both of which are lighter weight and in the case of the Mossberg, better finished.

If you are locked into a Remington, the 20 ga 1100 is unquestionably nicer than the 11-87, but the 2 3/4” realistically limits its functionality as an all-around field gun. There are 20 ga semi-autos that are more functional than an 1100, but there aren’t any that are higher quality or any more reliable.

All that said, you’d do just as well to at least consider buying a 12 ga V3. They are lighter than a 20 ga 11-87, shoot as soft, and are dollar for dollar a difficult gun to beat. They aren’t particularly high-quality either, but they are the most functional sub-$1000K semi auto you can buy right now.


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 Post subject: Re: Current production quality of 1100/1187 20 gauge?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:11 am 
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I have a 20 gauge 1100 Sporting that I bought recently. The fit, finish and function are just fine. For my daughter I bought a 20 gauge CZ Viper Two Stock shotgun. It has a youth butt stock and a full size one as well as a shortened barrel to go along with the shorter butt stock for balance and a barrel extension, like a long screw in choke for the long butt stock. Makes a good youth gun, lender and rain gun for me.

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 Post subject: Re: Current production quality of 1100/1187 20 gauge?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:27 am 
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The 391 and Montefeltro are both very fine 20s. Takes some effort to find a clean 391 but montes grow on trees. AND they don’t have wood that looks like it was rejected at a pallet factory.


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 Post subject: Re: Current production quality of 1100/1187 20 gauge?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:50 am 
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PM me your zip code Marlin Mike.

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 Post subject: Re: Current production quality of 1100/1187 20 gauge?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:34 pm 
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There is nothing wrong with the current offerings of either, except to the Remington haters.

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 Post subject: Re: Current production quality of 1100/1187 20 gauge?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:30 pm 
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Marlin Mike wrote:
I am going to buy my grandson a new 20 gauge auto this weekend. I have always owned owned 1100's. I know that Remington quality on Marlin has been very poor since they bought the company.


Actually, no-- Marlin product has never been better. Most of the old Marlin line made by Marlin was made without production prints, on old beat-up tooling. Current Marlin lever guns are a big step up.

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 Post subject: Re: Current production quality of 1100/1187 20 gauge?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:48 pm 
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RandyWakeman wrote:
Marlin Mike wrote:
I am going to buy my grandson a new 20 gauge auto this weekend. I have always owned owned 1100's. I know that Remington quality on Marlin has been very poor since they bought the company.


Actually, no-- Marlin product has never been better. Most of the old Marlin line made by Marling was made without production prints, on old beat-up tooling. Current Marlin lever guns are a big step up.


Negative. I have a Remlin 1895 and my old Marlins from the 70's are MUCH better guns. Fix, finish, function are ALL better on the older guns. Freedom group is not a good thing.

My Remingtons from the 70's and 80's are much better than the current production too. I have purchased 4 11-87s and an 870 in the last two years. I would not have considered them if I didn't get absurdly low prices on them.


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 Post subject: Re: Current production quality of 1100/1187 20 gauge?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:55 pm 
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Jeepwm69 wrote:
My Remingtons from the 70's and 80's are much better than the current production too. I have purchased 4 11-87s and an 870 in the last two years. I would not have considered them if I didn't get absurdly low prices on them.


I've had multiple Wingmasters from almost every decade of production (never owned a 90s or 00s gun), and the one I bought in 2017 is the nicest of them by almost any measure.


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 Post subject: Re: Current production quality of 1100/1187 20 gauge?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:11 pm 
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Negative. I have a Remlin 1895 and my old Marlins from the 70's are MUCH better guns. Fix, finish, function are ALL better on the older guns. Freedom group is not a good thing.


Cerberus / Freedom group no longer exists. It is, and has been "Remington Outdoor Company" for a while. https://www.remingtonoutdoorcompany.com/ .

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 Post subject: Re: Current production quality of 1100/1187 20 gauge?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:13 pm 
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Jeepwm69 wrote:
RandyWakeman wrote:
Marlin Mike wrote:
I am going to buy my grandson a new 20 gauge auto this weekend. I have always owned owned 1100's. I know that Remington quality on Marlin has been very poor since they bought the company.


Actually, no-- Marlin product has never been better. Most of the old Marlin line made by Marling was made without production prints, on old beat-up tooling. Current Marlin lever guns are a big step up.


Negative. I have a Remlin 1895 and my old Marlins from the 70's are MUCH better guns. Fix, finish, function are ALL better on the older guns. Freedom group is not a good thing.

My Remingtons from the 70's and 80's are much better than the current production too. I have purchased 4 11-87s and an 870 in the last two years. I would not have considered them if I didn't get absurdly low prices on them.



I`ve been extremely pleased with the Remingtons I now own. My 870 Super Mag turkey gun is an `05 vintage. Thing is a tank. My two year old V3 walnut has been faultless, and my 870 Express ( built in `15 ) that I bought somewhat on a whim for a backup and "rain gun" has been great. Action is smooth as can be and shoots dead on. I do take care as far as the finish is concerned, a little exterior grease and no problems with rust.

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 Post subject: Re: Current production quality of 1100/1187 20 gauge?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:18 pm 
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birdhunter39 wrote:
they don’t have wood that looks like it was rejected at a pallet factory.


Never heard that expression, but I am definitely stealing it...;)

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 Post subject: Re: Current production quality of 1100/1187 20 gauge?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:15 pm 
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RandyWakeman wrote:
Jeepwm69 wrote:
Negative. I have a Remlin 1895 and my old Marlins from the 70's are MUCH better guns. Fix, finish, function are ALL better on the older guns. Freedom group is not a good thing.


Cerberus / Freedom group no longer exists. It is, and has been "Remington Outdoor Company" for a while. https://www.remingtonoutdoorcompany.com/ .


LOL. They changed the name. Still the same conglomerate of companies that were bought and then used as leverage to borrow money while destroying the actual companies.

These were corporate raiders who ran a company into the ground.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... ville.html

My Remlin 1895 was made in 2014 IIRC. My 11-87's in 2017. Most guns on the shelves would have been there for awhile.

The new ones go bang, but they certainly aren't the guns of old, and I'd buy a used gun in good shape from the 80's or earlier before I'd spend the same money on a new, current production gun.


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 Post subject: Re: Current production quality of 1100/1187 20 gauge?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:26 pm 
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Whoa there is not any question the Marlins went to sh*t when Remington took over. Fit/finish was a massive step down.


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 Post subject: Re: Current production quality of 1100/1187 20 gauge?
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LOL. They changed the name. Still the same conglomerate of companies that were bought and then used as leverage to borrow money while destroying the actual companies.



Not true. Cerberus is G-O-N-E.

And, Marlin is now doing extremely well. https://www.americanhunter.org/articles ... gust-2019/

GunBroker.com Announces Top Selling Firearms for August 2019


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 Post subject: Re: Current production quality of 1100/1187 20 gauge?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:05 pm 
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My three year old 1100 twenty gauge is every bit as good as any other I’ve seen.


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 Post subject: Re: Current production quality of 1100/1187 20 gauge?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:11 pm 
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yeah i'm not sure ALL rems are crappy now. i had a wingmaster 20 maybe 10 years ago that was very nicely finished. great gun.


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 Post subject: Re: Current production quality of 1100/1187 20 gauge?
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birdhunter39 wrote:
yeah i'm not sure ALL rems are crappy now. i had a wingmaster 20 maybe 10 years ago that was very nicely finished. great gun.



I can guarantee you that a V3 walnut is not a crappy gun. I`d also hazard a guess that you`d find a new Wingmaster or 1100 to not be so as well, if you were able to objectively evaluate them.

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 Post subject: Re: Current production quality of 1100/1187 20 gauge?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:57 pm 
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i believe i just said i've had a wingmaster of recent vintage and was impressed with it.

that v3 walnut wouldn't make it in my safe on a bet. express finishes and ugly checkering pattern ain't getting it done no matter how well the gun functions. i've owned plenty of guns that cost less so it's not a snob thing...the gun is just flat friggin ugly and the finishes scream cheap.


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