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 Post subject: Re: Bird guns?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2019 9:14 pm 
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I agree. Bird hunting without a dog is kind of a joke.
Growing up we had a Shorthair that was a little heavy on the Bloodhound and a Weimaraner.
The Weimaraner wasn't very good, but the shorthair was the stuff legends are made of. I really miss that dog....

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 Post subject: Re: Bird guns?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 2:59 pm 
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For me, bird hunting is more about watching the dogs work than it is about guns.

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 Post subject: Re: Bird guns?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 10:34 pm 
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Zbigniew,

I agree however I do like good double guns, without them I would just be a dog watcher. Ryman Setter dogs have been in our family from before I was born. I can not remember a time when there was not a good dog in our family.

We have had good German dogs also and I love them also. I keep going back to the Ryman Setter and Gordon Setter dogs because of their beauty, personality and talent for Grouse & Woodcock hunting.

There is nothing like the magic of a Ryman Setter Grouse Dog, both in the forest and in my home.

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 Post subject: Re: Bird guns?
PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:53 pm 
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Pretty dog.
Our shorthair was the best. I miss him. =(


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 Post subject: Re: Bird guns?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:52 pm 
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DeanMk,

I had a German Shorthair from Germany and she was really something, best dog for finding Grouse buried under the snow I ever owned. Flush on command trained dog, big long legs and had a personality like a Ryman Setter. Rosie set up some of the finest bird gunning I have ever seen, I do miss her all the time.

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 Post subject: Re: Bird guns?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 11:50 pm 
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It is quickly becoming my 20 gauge 391 which I seem to shoot it better than the 686 and BSS 20's I've used for years.


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 Post subject: Re: Bird guns?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 2:47 am 
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Hi everyone, I'm new here. I would like to start hunting but don't know which gut to buy. Is there something for people who have just finished their lessons? You know I always wanted to have in my garden birds but couldn't attract them to me. So I found on the internet these guys https://www.faunafeeders.com/. There I read everything about how to feed birds and other animals in order to keep them near me. I guess that I can use this strategy in hunting too, what do you think about this idea?


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 Post subject: Re: Bird guns?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:12 am 
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"I don't know which gun to buy"
The one you shoot the best! However, if you can shoot a sxs, the "Bob White" by CZ would be a good choice. It is better made than the price would indicate & if it doesn't work for you, you won't have invested a fortune in it. I have one in 20 ga., the old model, not the G2. I still shoot Pop's old Featherweight 12 ga. LC Smith. I killed the first bird I ever killed on the wing with it in the latter 5o's. I can still see that brown back dove flying over that sugar cane field in Taiwan. I was in the 5th grade. Pop was a skinny kid staying on the farm with his older sister & her husband. He called Pop Scrub because he was skinny. They hunted Bob White quail every day of the season & it wasn't long before "Scrub" was showing them all how it was done! No telling how many truck loads of quail that gun has killed & it is still going! Dad had bird dogs his entire life until his health failed him. Quail hunting here isn't what it was. My dogs have been Labs & hounds. I also have a 20 ga. Elsie, among others, that I have hunted with since 1961. My shooting improved greatly with that gun. The only gun I can shoot as well as the 20 is Pop's old bird gun. That is with what I call bird guns. Waterfowl guns are a different story but I killed everything with the 20.


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 Post subject: Re: Bird guns?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 1:26 pm 
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LiudwigXIX wrote:
Hi everyone, I'm new here. I would like to start hunting but don't know which gun to buy. Is there something for people who have just finished their lessons?

The one you shoot the best is sage advice, but if you don't own any guns right now and don't have much experience with them, then you're still at the stage of finding out which gun you do shoot the best.
A visit to your local range might be a place to start. Sometimes they have loaner guns you can try and the rangemaster (or a helpful patron) can help you out with tips to finding a gun that fits you like it should.
Your local gun shop may also be of help for finding you a gun...just depends on who ends up helping you.
If it's "Upland" game that you're looking to hunt (because you never actually stated what kind of hunting you want to persue), then the action type isn't really all that important (i.e., "action type" = Semi-auto, pump, SxS, O/U, single), but rather, you're looking for something that is balanced with a little weight towards the far end, fairly light and goes up on your shoulder easily and fits like it was a part of you.
Upland hunters tend to prefer the smaller gauges, especially 20 gauge, because they tend to be found in lighter guns, but these days, the manufacturers seem to be addressing this and even a big 12 gauge can be found in a fairly light gun without having to do too much searching.
Past that, its all about finding what works specifically for you.
Try not to get too hung up on brands. Keep an open mind and try anything that's presented to you.
Its the only you're going to learn.
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 Post subject: Re: Bird guns?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 2:06 pm 
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It`s amusing, though not surprising, how many people can`t name just one.

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 Post subject: Re: Bird guns?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:44 pm 
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Tidefanatic,

I blame that on owning to many standard off the shelf guns, it is my opinion that once a man or woman owns a truly high grade double gun that fits them correctly and they shoot really well, they will remember the name on that shotgun for ever.

When I pick up a 1910 Purdey 16 gauge self opener shotgun or a 1901 #5 16 gauge L.C. Smith double gun, I know there are very few guns ever built like them, and none that will ever fit me as well. To Grouse hunt with either of these guns is to know great double guns.

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 Post subject: Re: Bird guns?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 5:45 pm 
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I only have one gun that I consider to have been expensive. It is a 10 G Merkel sle. That is really not a lot of money to pay for a shotgun by some standards but it is for me! I have other guns that I consider quality, well made guns that are just as good field guns as the Merkel that cost far less. I do love my Merkel but it isn't the only show in town! All of my shotguns are primarily to shoot something that flies, "feather birds" as a friend calls them. I once asked him, "Bruce, what kind of birds don't have feathers?" Anyway, I always thought of a "Bird Gun" as one you use to shoot birds such as bobwhite over a pointing dog, even though a lot of birds are shot without the aid of a dog. Most of my guns are more at home in a duck blind & there is a lot of cross over. I haven't hunted behind a pointing dog in quite a long time, sadly due to the lack of something to hunt & a place that has the game. There is game & plenty of public land to hunt but not enough to train a dog & keep him happy. I'm getting off subject but Pop's old Featherweight LC Smith & my Bobwhite are the only guns I own that I would call bird guns, although I have never shot a pheasant with either. Hunting pheasant with flush dogs is a different game than hunting with a pointer. I have hunted pheasant walking them up when I didn't have a dog very successfully with a classic open choked 20 ga. bird gun.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:55 pm 
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My favorite 16 is my A grade Fox Philadelphia Gun. Fits me to a T.

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 Post subject: Re: Bird guns?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 3:52 pm 
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casonet,

Got to admit I like them also, Ken Graft has a 16 Fox that I would love to own. Other than the pre 10 Purdey 16 and the L.C. Smith #5 16, the Fox A is a fine fitting 16 gauge double gun. I would put Ken Fox in my Gunsafe right now if he would sell it to me.

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 Post subject: Re: Bird guns?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:59 pm 
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Those Fox A Grades are really something else!
Long ways from the days when even the Fox-BSE was just a gussied up 311.
The 555 intrigues me, as well.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:07 pm 
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DeanMK,

I do own the 555 Savage Stevens 28 gauge gun, so far a very nice little gun for the money built on a real 28 gauge frame. Great little gun for dog training especially. I purchased the flat Matt Black gun with the Aluminum Breech. The gun is very tight when you 1st purchase it, work the action in with Singer Sewing Machine oil and the gun works fine. Multi Screw in Choke gun, I use the IC and M chokes most of the time.
I also have heard good thing about the new 16 gauge 555 Enhanced gun, but do not own one. The are built on a steel from however. From the looks of them they are a little higher quality gun. For inexpensive guns they both get the job done.

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 Post subject: Re: Bird guns?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:05 pm 
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Thanks for the review Dave.
Do you know if the 555 has Turkish origins?


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 Post subject: Re: Bird guns?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:02 am 
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DeanMk wrote:
Thanks for the review Dave.
Do you know if the 555 has Turkish origins?

The Savage 555 is made by KOFS Ltd in Turkey.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 2:06 pm 
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Thanks Painter. -b


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 Post subject: Re: Bird guns?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2020 10:12 am 
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DeanMK,

Painter is correct, the 555 is a Turkish made gun. They had some QC problems when they 1st came out, especially with the 12 gauge guns. I was lucky and got a 28 gauge gun that worked perfectly when I purchased, some people had a lot of problems with doubling however. It seems Savage/Stevens got the Turkish boys to clean up their act, and the guns are working fine now. If you purchase a 555 you definitely want the newer made gun. The 555 Enhanced is a nice gun also with no problems that I know of, built on a steel frame. I like my 555 for gun dog training, the 28 gauge works fine and I am definitely not scared to get it scratched up while working with the dogs.

all the best,

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