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 Post subject: Reloading recipes
PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:49 pm 
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Hi everyone I’m trying to find a recipe for 12 gauge 2 3/4 hulls, it doesn’t matter what kind of hulls I have been collecting for some time now and have a lot of different hulls. Since the store shelves are pretty cleaned out around here I was only able to get Hodgdon Clays powder and Remington 209 primers and I have Remington R12L 1oz and Remington RPA12-W23694 1 1/8 wads. I’m trying to make 8 or 9 shot 00 buck buckshot that I casted myself.
Any help would be much appreciated.




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 Post subject: Re: Reloading recipes
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:09 am 
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Welcome to SGW

Go here http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/

And fill in the fields and you will see that Hodgdons Clays is not a buck shot powder. Sorry for the bad news. In the Hodgdons line you can use HS-6 or Universal. I used a Winchester AAHS hull for this example.

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 Post subject: Re: Reloading recipes
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:55 am 
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So my understanding is that 8 00 buck pellets weight 1oz and 9 of them weight 1 1/8oz.
Can’t I use the data from the target loads to achieve the same results?


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 Post subject: Re: Reloading recipes
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:02 am 
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Buck shot loading is a science all to itself. Nothing crosses over from "small" shot loading.
Thats all I know about it, as I dont do it.

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 Post subject: Re: Reloading recipes
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:34 pm 
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Dalton721 wrote:
So my understanding is that 8 00 buck pellets weight 1oz and 9 of them weight 1 1/8oz.
Can’t I use the data from the target loads to achieve the same results?


No you cant.


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 Post subject: Re: Reloading recipes
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:32 pm 
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You need a buffer to keep the BS in place as it travels down the barrel. It also has to lay flat in layers, so the right size BS is needed for the gauge. The buffer weighs a certain amount, and that has to be taken in consideration. The buffer will raise pressures. You want HARD BS so it keeps it shape, not soft cast stuff. There's lots that goes into loading BS and I never got it right for good patterns. Read the thread about buffer. Good luck.

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 Post subject: Re: Reloading recipes
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:09 pm 
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I believe Lyman's 5th edition shotshell reloading handbook has a separate chapter on buck shot reloading. As mentioned, target ammo loading and buck shot ammo loading are two entirely different fields.

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 Post subject: Re: Reloading recipes
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:31 pm 
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I have the 5th edition Lyman shotshell reloading book. It doesn’t list the components I have.
I also have Uniuqe powder if y’all have any advice for reloading my shotshell with that powder.


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 Post subject: Re: Reloading recipes
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:40 pm 
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Your best bet is to use the powder manufacturer's website reloading info.

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 Post subject: Re: Reloading recipes
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 9:29 pm 
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Dalton721 wrote:
I have the 5th edition Lyman shotshell reloading book. It doesn’t list the components I have.
I also have Uniuqe powder if y’all have any advice for reloading my shotshell with that powder.
Only use recipes that are published. It appears you have a lot of different hulls and a bunch of Remington components and it's not at all clear what it is you want to load for, other than maybe some buck shot. Instead of being so general in what you want to load, you should spell it out for us. Just what are your objectives in reloading?

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 Post subject: Re: Reloading recipes
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 9:59 pm 
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My goal is to load some inexpensive 00 buckshot loads that I casted up, I have already purchased Clays powder and Federal 209 primers and I have some Remington R12L 1oz and Remington RPA12-W23694 wads. I have fiocchi, Remington gun club and sts, RIO blue and clear hulls, Winchester AA and universal hulls, estate hulls, federal field and range. I probably have more but these pop into my head. I have the Lyman 5th edition handbook and I currently cast and reload my 45acp rounds. I’m hopping someone can give me a recipe or a resource to get the recipe using the components I currently own since the store shelves are picked clean. I have email Hodgdon and I’m waiting on a response from them now.


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 Post subject: Re: Reloading recipes
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:54 pm 
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One of the better manuals that has current component buckshot loads is from Ballistics Products.

https://www.ballisticproducts.com/Downl ... fo/XMBUCK/

You can download that and scan through to see. I'll bet, though, that you won't find Clays powder in any of those loads, and probably not either Remington wad you bought.

You have started your exercise of learning how to make good buckshot loads at about the worst possible time - the hardest time to find components since about 2008. I know you can't change our present times and situations, but that should not lead you into being so driven that you don't follow known good loading data, because, contrary to what a lot of drivel on the Internet recently might lead you to believe, you can't just substitute buckshot for the same weight of bird shot.

There have been several posts recently in this forum about the same subject. All come to about the same conclusion -

Find a published load that should do what you want.
THEN buy those exact components.
Then test your loads to see how well your shotgun shoots them.

Repeat steps with a different recipe if you are not satisfied with the results.


For an example of a load that worked real well for one feller -
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthr ... PERFECTION
(But neither your available powders nor wads nor 00 buck make an appearance there.)

For now, if you can't load buckshot and you want a "home defense" load with the components you have (or can get easily), think about a ounce and a quarter of #2 or 4 shot at 1200 fps or so. It's amazing what that load will do out to about 30 yards.

Good luck, garrisonjoe


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 Post subject: Re: Reloading recipes
PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:49 am 
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Reloading for Shotgunners 5th. pg 251
2-3/4 Cheddite hull, Win209, Clays powder, LB12 wad, 1-1/8 oz Buckshot


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 Post subject: Re: Reloading recipes
PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:58 am 
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Ballistic Products- LB12
https://www.ballisticproducts.com/Light ... o/072LB12/

Precision Reloading- same wad - TUWGS12CL
https://precisionreloading.com/cart.php#!l=TUW&i=GS12CL

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 Post subject: Re: Reloading recipes
PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:41 am 
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Another buckshot recipe using Clays powder on this VP53 load data sheet.

https://www.ballisticproducts.com/VP53%20data.pdf

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 Post subject: Re: Reloading recipes
PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:32 pm 
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So I just checked and Hornady 00 buck is too large to stack in layers of 2 in a VP53 wad.

Diameter of each 00 pellet is .327 and they weigh 53 gr. They will stack in layers of 2 in an MG42 wad.

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 Post subject: Re: Reloading recipes
PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:43 am 
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[quote="Hal4son"]So I just checked and Hornady 00 buck is too large to stack in layers of 2 in a VP53 wad.

Diameter of each 00 pellet is .327 and they weigh 53 gr. They will stack in layers of 2 in an MG42 wad.[/quo

I just noticed the OP indicated in Post #4, that he also has Unique powder.


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 Post subject: Re: Reloading recipes
PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:36 pm 
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Yep, Unique is getting closer to a powder that adequate amount of buckshot loading data can be found for.




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