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 Post subject: Best Roll Crimping Tool?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:13 pm 
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I have recently started roll crimping as it aids in feeding through my semi auto very well. I have been using a BPI Exacta Roll for my crimping and it works great, but I'm not thrilled with the finish. I also tried a GAEP otp rolling tool and it didn't work for me at all. Any suggestions for a great roll crimping tool would be welcome as is any advice. Thanks!




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 Post subject: Re: Best Roll Crimping Tool?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:14 pm 
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I've been using the Precision Reloading tools in 10, 12 and 20. I like them well enough that the mailman brought me a 28 and 410 on Friday.

ETA- Roll crimpers work best when they are warmed up. Put 10 loads or so together then roll them all at once. Maybe even keep a scrap hull near the drill press to put some friction to it before starting.


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 Post subject: Re: Best Roll Crimping Tool?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:22 pm 
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Ive been using an antique.
Get one.

They are amazing.


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 Post subject: Re: Best Roll Crimping Tool?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:34 pm 
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I have used a Gaep tool for finishing loads for 8-9 years that Kevin helped me get and
it has done really well in my drill press ! I agree with warming them up a little it turns out
absolutely perfect tapered loads . Don't forget put a little lube on the die now and then !


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 Post subject: Re: Best Roll Crimping Tool?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:52 pm 
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I got one of those cheap Russian roll crimpers advertised on eBay for around $25 shipped. Took a couple months to get here but it works great. Mine is for 16 gauge.


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 Post subject: Re: Best Roll Crimping Tool?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:52 pm 
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Roll crimper in a small drill press, crimp them all one after another, a warm tool is your friend.

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 Post subject: Re: Best Roll Crimping Tool?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:05 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Best Roll Crimping Tool?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:38 am 
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Hal4son wrote:
I've been using the Precision Reloading tools in 10, 12 and 20. I like them well enough that the mailman brought me a 28 and 410 on Friday.

ETA- Roll crimpers work best when they are warmed up. Put 10 loads or so together then roll them all at once. Maybe even keep a scrap hull near the drill press to put some friction to it before starting.


^^^X2

I keep a dummy shell just for warming up the die before rolling. I run it on the dummy for a few seconds at high speed to warm it up. After that it runs like butter on the plastic hulls. I put a drop of light machine oil on the die after I've loaded a box, while it's still warm, so it's lubed and ready for the next time.

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 Post subject: Re: Best Roll Crimping Tool?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:28 am 
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Hand rollers are fun for a couple of shells but when I'm doing 50 or more at one time the drill press models are much easier on the wrist and hand. The ones from Precision Reloading are better than the ones from BPI because they have a couple of pins to roll over the shell, not just one. I've never had to use a lube, and why in Gods name would anyone order anything from Russia ? We make em right here in the USA and they work just fine.

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 Post subject: Re: Best Roll Crimping Tool?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:40 pm 
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I've never used oil or any other lubricant. Never had an issue running the PRI model dry.


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 Post subject: Re: Best Roll Crimping Tool?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:36 am 
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Amen, amen.

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 Post subject: Re: Best Roll Crimping Tool?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:52 am 
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Lubing the roll crimper would actually REDUCE heating, which would be COUNTER to rolling the plastic hull properly.

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 Post subject: Re: Best Roll Crimping Tool?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:26 pm 
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OldStufferA5#1911 wrote:
Lubing the roll crimper would actually REDUCE heating, which would be COUNTER to rolling the plastic hull properly.


Not in my 8 years of Gaep finishing my loads , The loads I Gaep finish are for Games
shoots as well as my NonTox waterfowl loads . It makes the consistency of each loads
SD so close for better performance .
I use a dab of Rem Oil on my finger and apply it to the Gaeps working end while it's
rotating in the Drill Press , it last for maybe 10 -12 shells !


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 Post subject: Re: Best Roll Crimping Tool?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:27 pm 
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I like the Precision one better than the BPI one. Precision has 2 or 4 nubs in there instead of just 1, smoother running.

Also, you can hit the tops of fold crimped shells with an rto die, I use precision, on a drill press and just round over the edges nice for smooth feeding. Don't press too hard...


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 Post subject: Re: Best Roll Crimping Tool?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:50 pm 
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cookoff013 wrote:
Ive been using an antique.
Get one.

They are amazing.

Beyond a shadow of a doubt!!!! I have them in 12 16 and 20ga. All produce perfect roll crimps

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 Post subject: Re: Best Roll Crimping Tool?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:07 am 
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Cold hot oil or not...the RPM is going to figure in there. The press I have is too fast, even at its lowest setting. Something around 650 rpm or more. Wish I could get it to 150 rpm.

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 Post subject: Re: Best Roll Crimping Tool?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:12 am 
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FullandFuller wrote:
Cold hot oil or not...the RPM is going to figure in there. The press I have is too fast, even at its lowest setting. Something around 650 rpm or more. Wish I could get it to 150 rpm.

Maybe a dimmer switch or rheostat to knock the voltage down?

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 Post subject: Re: Best Roll Crimping Tool?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:34 am 
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Maybe. I'm not sure if the motor type will handle that. I read into it last year, but then hunting season came. Thank God for Autumn. Then hibernation season. Then covid.

Its some cheapo china junk, from the 90s probably. Tradesman?, I think. I'm not much of an electrician beyond simple dc circuits. Something about the phase type, I didn't think I'd be able to change much.

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 Post subject: Re: Best Roll Crimping Tool?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:44 am 
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Specifically, what tool is it? I'm an electrician, btw.

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 Post subject: Re: Best Roll Crimping Tool?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:10 am 
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"It makes the consistency of each loads"- really ? What do you mean by consistency ? FPS ? Patterns ? I don't believe for a second that one roll crimper over another make any difference what so ever other than appearance. Oil ? Speed of the drill press ? You guys are making to much of it. I use a hand drill or my table model drill press, the same one I use for drilling holes, and have never adjusted the speed. Just chuck it up - it'll work just fine. Get it warm? The first " cold " one looks as good as the last " warm ' one.
I could be wrong, and if so please forgive me, but I believe some use the Gaep tool for putting a tapper on star crimp shells and that can be done on a properly adjusted Mec, a Gaep tool is completely unnecessary.
More than a dimmer switch is needed to be able to adjust the speed of a 110v motor. Everything in your house is single phase. There's 220 and 110 voltages, but all single phase. Industry has 110 single phase and 220 single or three phase along with 440 v three phase. You can buy small electronic packages that will make a three phase motor work on single phase.
Use your old hand tools or buy one for a drill press [ and don't worry about speed ] and have at it. Roll crimps do look cool.



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