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 Post subject: 20 gauge Wingmaster 2.75" chamber
PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:59 am 
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My friend asked me about this Remington he has and I was curious if there is any demand for a 20 gauge with the short chamber. I assumed there would be but I am sure the 3" has a bigger following.

Anyone care to comment on what you think?

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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Wingmaster 2.75" chamber
PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:02 pm 
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2-3/4" is the standard nominal length, so it comes down to what you want to do with it. For clay targets, it's just fine

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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Wingmaster 2.75" chamber
PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:44 pm 
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I have 2 3/4 guns for 2 3/4 shells, and 3" guns for 3" shells. Necessary? No, but why not have a good excuse to buy another shotgun?

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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Wingmaster 2.75" chamber
PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:58 pm 
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A 2 3/4 inch 20 gauge is very useful for most things the 20 gauge will be used to shoot. It is what I use for upland hunting. I think your friend's gun is just fine with those chambers and probably lighter and thus easier to carry.


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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Wingmaster 2.75" chamber
PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:49 pm 
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When I hunt early season pheasants I use an 1100 20ga with 2.75 shells.


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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Wingmaster 2.75" chamber
PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:25 pm 
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No demand, but I will still give him $100 for it.

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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Wingmaster 2.75" chamber
PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:10 am 
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noweil wrote:
No demand, but I will still give him $100 for it.

How about $105? :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Wingmaster 2.75" chamber
PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:58 am 
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$105.01 Bob


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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Wingmaster 2.75" chamber
PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:10 am 
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From age 12 on through my teen years, I surely shot enough wild pheasants to fill up the back of my old, 1/2 ton pickup. My 870 Wingmaster "lightweight" (fixed full choke) had a 3" chamber, but I never used 3" shells except when hunting turkeys.

A standard length 1 oz. load of six shot was always sufficient. In fact, it seemed magical in terms of how it clobbered pheasants and prairie chickens.

In fact, I don't recall missing much back then. I remember several occasions when two roosters would flush and two would fall dead. When I first started hunting, "missing" just didn't occur to me as a option I guess. As I get older, it seems like I over-think things. Back then I didn't. I felt no stress or pressure when a rooster flushed during my teenage years. I had an indefinite number of warm Autumn days ahead of me, hunting to the sound and smell of combines picking corn, and a seemingly unlimited supply of wild pheasants. Now I don't.

Most of the time I didn't have a dog either. My relatives had dogs that we hunted behind on weekends, but on November weekdays, on the way home from school, I'd pull over and hunt an strip of grass, walking slowly and pausing frequently. I learned that if you stop to set your gun down to take a pee when walking without a dog, that's when the rooster you've been unknowingly pushing along will panic and flush. Even to this day I always wait quietly for fifteen seconds before unzipping, lest I get caught holding on to the wrong tool when a pheasant explodes out of the grass at my feet.

Years later, after the internet was invented, I discovered that I wasn't using enough gun or the right tactics when I shot those many hundreds of birds. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Wingmaster 2.75" chamber
PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:02 pm 
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In the early years of the 20-gauge cartridge shotguns here in North America the available 20-gauge shotgun shells from our ammunition manufacturers were 3/4 ounce and the heavier 7/8 ounce load of shot pushed by 2 1/4 drams of bulk smokeless powder or 18-grains of dense smokeless powder such as Infallible or Ballistite. These loads could be had in the "standard" length 2 1/2 inch shell or any of the longer 2 3/4, 2 7/8 or 3-inch shells. In any of the longer shells one could get a bit faster 7/8 ounce load with 2 1/2 drams of bulk smokeless powder or 20-grains of dense smokeless powder. The sports at all those great California duck clubs, shooting their long barrel 20-gauges, were using these 7/8 ounce loads.

The Great War brought about many advances in propellants. By the early 1920s our manufacturers were applying progressive burning smokeless powders to shotgun shells and in 1922 Western Cartridge Co. introduced their Super-X loads in 12-gauge 1 1/4 ounce in their 2 3/4 inch FIELD shell and 20-gauge 1 ounce in a 2 3/4 inch FIELD shell.

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Remington Arms Co., Inc. quickly followed suit with their Heavy Duck Load put up in their 2 3/4 inch Nitro Club Shell which a few years later became their Nitro Express. Peters Cartridge Co. did the same with their High Velocity. Winchester with a great number of their Model 1912/12 20-gauges out there made for 2 1/2 inch shells put up their 1 ounce progressive burning powder loads in both 2 1/2 and 2 3/4 inch shells.

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From 1922 to 1954, the 20-gauge could do anything a 20-gauge needed to do with 1 ounce of shot. In the December 15, 1954, Western Cartridge Co. catalog they introduced the 12-, 16- and 20-gauge 2 3/4 inch Magnum loads with 1 1/2, 1 1/4 and 1 1/8 ounce payloads respectively. Also in that December 15, 1954, Western Cartridge Co. catalog two new loads appeared in their Super-X Lubaloy loads -- L20M a 20-gauge 3-inch Magnum with 1 1/8 ounce of #6 Lubaloy shot --

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and L20MH a 20-gauge 3-inch Magnum with 1 3/16 ounce of #4 Lubaloy shot --

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Winchester, that had been owned by Western Cartridge Co. since late 1931, added a 20-gauge 3-inch chambered gun to their Model 21 offerings in the January 2, 1954, Winchester catalog.

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Those remained the 20-gauge 3-inch Magnum offerings until 1960 when Western, Winchester, Remington and Peters all added a 20-gauge 3-inch Magnum load with 1 1/4 ounces of chilled shot to their offerings. Saddling us ever since with a ballistic [email protected][email protected] that no one needs.


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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Wingmaster 2.75" chamber
PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:30 pm 
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Thanks for the great info. Really good information.


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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Wingmaster 2.75" chamber
PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2020 7:40 am 
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In the early days of the lead shot ban/scam when the 20 gauge was exempt, I was very thankful for that [email protected][email protected] load of 1-1/4 ounces of lead shot. I patterned and chronographed them, and maybe the shot string was 20 feet long; I didn't care. They killed ducks dead again.
I still have two 20 gauge guns with 3" chambers, but I can't remember the last time I shot 3" shells in a 20 so I don't think a 2-3/4" chamber would be a big handicap at all. The 3" barrel hasn't been on my 1100 for probably 20 years. A LW20 Wingmaster is a very nice handling and handy gun in my opinion. Shot the only 50 straight in skeet I ever shot with a pump with one.

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 Post subject: Re: 20 gauge Wingmaster 2.75" chamber
PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2020 8:31 am 
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I have a Wingmaster 20 standard frame made in 1968, skeet choked, and with the 2 3/4" chamber. It is without a doubt one of the most fun skeet guns that I shoot and I have several. I have had many opportunities to sell it, but not for a while yet. I don't hunt anymore so I have no need for a 3" chamber. Frankly, there are lots of guns out there with a 3" chamber that are lighter to carry than a Wingmaster



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