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 Post subject: Classic SXS
PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 9:51 pm 
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Looking for a classic SXS, 12ga. Don't need a collector, want a shooter for occasional trips to the range, whether skeet or sporting. Prefer single trigger, but not a deal breaker with double. What brand/models are good value and what should I avoid?



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 Post subject: Re: Classic SXS
PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:57 pm 
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Looking for a classic SXS, 12ga. Don't need a collector, want a shooter for occasional trips to the range, whether skeet or sporting. Prefer single trigger, but not a deal breaker with double. What brand/models are good value and what should I avoid?



One possibility is an East German Sauer/Simpson/Merkel from Simpson Ltd. Figure on spending about $400-$600 on the gun, plus another $100 to have Mike Orlen open the chokes to something usable . . .

Watch the "What's New" page. They don't always have doubles to post, but they do quite frequently. Scroll though a few pages, but beware, the good ones go fast:

https://simpsonltd.com/whats-new/


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 Post subject: Re: Classic SXS
PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:18 am 
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There are a lot of the old Stevens/Savage/Springfield 311/511 types around. They're utilitarian but solid, and shouldn't be more than 400 or so for a pretty decent one in 12g.
Double triggers though.


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 Post subject: Re: Classic SXS
PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:42 am 
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If you're absolutely set on a single trigger, a couple of good candidates are:

SKB . . . the MADE IN JAPAN SKB shotguns are really nice. You should be able to pick up a Model 100 for about $600-$800 if you beat the bushes.

JC Higgins 100 . . . made in Spain by Aya for Sears and Roebuck. Nice gun. Aya made some other shotguns for Sears, but the Model 100 is the one you want.


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 Post subject: Re: Classic SXS
PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:47 am 
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Keep an eye out for a AH Fox Sterlingworth. It's hard to find a good one for under $800 these days, but they're great guns. Every bit equal to a graded Fox in terms of quality, but without fancy do-dads (it has a snap-on forearm) and with plain wood.

Another one to watch is the Made in Japan doubles from Miroku. You'll sometimes see these marked simply "Miroku, but more commonly they bear the Charles Daly name. If they look and feel a lot like a Browining BSS, there's a reason for that.


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 Post subject: Re: Classic SXS
PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:49 am 
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Let’s start with a budget? Really going to be hit or miss, with a lot of ‘miss’ without some trimming down of candidates.


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 Post subject: Re: Classic SXS
PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:52 am 
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Winchester Model 21. Prices are pretty good right now.


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 Post subject: Re: Classic SXS
PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:50 pm 
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Agree that an AH Fox Sterlingworth is a great choice! I have two nice 12s, one built in Philadelphia and one built after Savage Arms bought Fox built in Utica, NY. They are a simple and strong boxlock action but usually have double triggers. I am considering putting them up for sale and would ask about $1000 for either example.

It is good to check the chamber length to make sure it is a full 2 3/4".


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 Post subject: Re: Classic SXS
PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:45 pm 
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How much do you want to spend?
Where do you want it to be from - US, Great Britain, continental Europe, Japan or Turkey?
What dimensions do you need?
Also have to consider that many of these are lighter game games. If you reload then light 7/8 or 1 oz loads are easy to make. If not, dropping in a heavy trap or sporting load will be unpleasant.
Saying you want a sxs is like saying you want car. Lots of choices.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/890751068

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/894073317

Fun to break these out at the club!
https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns- ... =101562143

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 Post subject: Re: Classic SXS
PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:51 pm 
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For your consideration. https://cz-usa.com/product/cz-hammer-cl ... oke-tubes/

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 Post subject: Re: Classic SXS
PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:05 pm 
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pintail wizard, if you’re near NC, take a trip to Sanford the last weekend of April. The Southern Side by Side is on for this year, and many/most of the vendors are attending. You’ll see, get to handle and shoot more side by sides than you’ll see anywhere else and many will be for sale.


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 Post subject: Re: Classic SXS
PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:51 am 
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I think the Winchester 23 is heavy enough to shoot sporting with where it won't beat you up but it's made exceptionally well where you could put thousands of rounds through it without having to be concerned with durability. You can get them if you look hard enough with or without choke tubes.


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 Post subject: Re: Classic SXS
PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:57 pm 
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Look at the Dickinson’s they have at Cabela’s. Solid guns at a good price.

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 Post subject: Re: Classic SXS
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How about something like this?

https://cz-usa.com/product/cz-bobwhite-g2/

Or this?

https://cz-usa.com/product/cz-sharp-tail/


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 Post subject: Re: Classic SXS
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oyeme wrote:


A modern-build Turkish gun is probably the most practical choice, but it’s hardly “classic.”


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 Post subject: Re: Classic SXS
PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:17 pm 
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Good info to get started, thanks folks. I really don't have a set budget; but to get it past the minister of finance, it's gonna need to be under around $750. Will be shooting 7/8 oz loads at skeet, mostly. Not worried about choke at this point. LOP should be around 14 5/8 with 1 5/8 at comb and 2 3/4 at heel. Perfect would be about 1/4" cast off. Barrel length really doesn't matter but 30" would be nice. Dual triggers are not a big deal.

The goal is to have a "solid working model" of my grandfather's Ranger Chief. He hated that gun as you never knew if it would fire or not. I took it apart and think it only needs a new cocking lever, but the part shown in Numrich is different than the one in the gun.



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