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 Post subject: Browning A-5 not loading next round
PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:15 pm 
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Browning A 5 old model is not loading second round. Fires and ejects but does not load next round. You can hand cycle and it will load. Any suggestions. I have cleaned completely and checked all springs all things appear to be fine. Also adjusted rings for light or heavy loads and have the same problem. Recoil spring does not appear to be too heavy, works just others.




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 Post subject: Re: Browning A-5 not loading next round
PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 6:37 pm 
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So it hand cycles FROM the magazine ok?

Was wondering if you'd had the cut-off lever engaged

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 Post subject: Re: Browning A-5 not loading next round
PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 10:52 pm 
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saddler2 wrote:
So it hand cycles FROM the magazine ok?

Was wondering if you'd had the cut-off lever engaged

No that's not it.


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 Post subject: Re: Browning A-5 not loading next round
PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 11:47 pm 
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You probably need stouter ammunition. Make sure the friction pieces are set up for target loads and you have a few drops of motor oil on the mag tube.

There even was one incident where the gun would do that on the very last round. When he’d load five it would fire four, load three fire two. The last shell always stayed in the magazine. The magazine spring was weak. That’s one spring most people don’t think about.


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 Post subject: Re: Browning A-5 not loading next round
PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 11:55 pm 
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jwgriffin wrote:
Browning A 5 old model is not loading second round. Fires and ejects but does not load next round.


The "round" is vague. Is this a new problem? See: https://www.midwestgunworks.com/field_s ... manual.pdf ... page 13.

Improperly adjusted or worn carrier latch, improper clearance between carrier latch and carrier.

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 Post subject: Re: Browning A-5 not loading next round
PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:20 am 
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RandyWakeman wrote:
jwgriffin wrote:
Browning A 5 old model is not loading second round. Fires and ejects but does not load next round.


The "round" is vague. Is this a new problem? See: https://www.midwestgunworks.com/field_s ... manual.pdf ... page 13.

Improperly adjusted or worn carrier latch, improper clearance between carrier latch and carrier.


He says it works when he hand cycles the action, so it’s unlikely to be the carrier latch.


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 Post subject: Re: Browning A-5 not loading next round
PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:10 am 
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No issues with the action spring assembly to the rear of the receiver?

Is the problem with all types/brands of shell, or just one make?

No issues with the chamber area, burrs or something that the fired case is catching on?

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 Post subject: Re: Browning A-5 not loading next round
PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:06 am 
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IME, the solution depend upon what ammunition you're using - since long-recoil autoloaders can be adjusted for using different power/load levels of ammo.

For example, if your A-5's friction ring (on the magazine tube) is set for heavy loads, and you're using low-powered loads, the action may not cycle properly when fired, but be OK when manually cycled.

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 Post subject: Re: Browning A-5 not loading next round
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CriscoKid wrote:
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IME, the solution depend upon what ammunition you're using - since long-recoil autoloaders can be adjusted for using different power/load levels of ammo.

For example, if your A-5's friction ring (on the magazine tube) is set for heavy loads, and you're using low-powered loads, the action may not cycle properly when fired, but be OK when manually cycled.

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I’m glad you posted that diagram.

I shoot trap with full choke, 1 oz at around 1200. I have the rings set for light loads, should it be set for heavy ? Why the distinction between full chokes and other when setting the rings ? I thought it was just dependent on the load.


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 Post subject: Re: Browning A-5 not loading next round
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To avoid the chance of battering the receiver or cracking the forend wood, I would suggest setting it for heavy loads first; then if your loads don't cycle the action properly, go back to the low-power setting.

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 Post subject: Re: Browning A-5 not loading next round
PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:08 am 
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CriscoKid wrote:
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IME, the solution depend upon what ammunition you're using - since long-recoil autoloaders can be adjusted for using different power/load levels of ammo.

For example, if your A-5's friction ring (on the magazine tube) is set for heavy loads, and you're using low-powered loads, the action may not cycle properly when fired, but be OK when manually cycled.

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I HATE that diagram. It’s from Remington, and I don’t know who thought it was a good idea, if you have a Cutts Compensator on your gun, to set the friction pieces up that way. Browning says never shoot your Auto-5 without the Bronze Friction Piece in place, and putting it next to the receiver is the same as leaving it off. I have two Auto-5’s with a Cutts, and several with Poly Chokes. They make no difference whatsoever.

Browning has a similar diagram, without the disastrous Cutts reference.


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 Post subject: Re: Browning A-5 not loading next round
PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:17 am 
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Rudolph31 wrote:

I HATE that diagram.

Browning has a similar diagram, without the disastrous Cutts reference.



Then, how about you post what you regard as the correct system diagram ?

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 Post subject: Re: Browning A-5 not loading next round
PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:23 am 
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CriscoKid wrote:
Rudolph31 wrote:

I HATE that diagram.

Browning has a similar diagram, without the disastrous Cutts reference.



Then, how about you post what you regard as the correct system diagram ?


I was just about to!

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 Post subject: Re: Browning A-5 not loading next round
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Would the springs make any indifference to the settings ? Isn’t the action spring different with the Remington ?

Sorry to derail the thread.


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 Post subject: Re: Browning A-5 not loading next round
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I believe the Remington’s Action Spring is identical to Browning’s. And I think Recoil Springs are interchangeable as well. The Field Service Manual lists the lengths of the various springs, which I will post shortly.

I used to change out Recoil Springs, but found it unnecessary for target loads. In fact, one gun became so unreliable that it’s now a dedicated bowling pin and home defense shotgun. It cycles buckshot just fine.

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 Post subject: Re: Browning A-5 not loading next round
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I have changed the position of the piston rings, changed the action spring, recoil spring, changed the piston ring itself. cleaned everything. Like I said it cycles fine by hand but will not release the shell to cycle when fired and I checked the shell latch but it seems to be working fine by hand.


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 Post subject: Re: Browning A-5 not loading next round
PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2021 7:28 am 
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Are we still talking Auto-5’s or lawnmowers? No piston rings on the Auto-5. No piston either.

When you say it cycles by hand, are you cycling it by moving the barrel or just the operating handle?

Also, after loading, look the shell. The next to load should be partially out of the magazine and resting on the protrusion on the bottom of the bolt called the locking block latch.

Finally, when you fire the gun, where does the shell go if it doesn’t load?


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 Post subject: Re: Browning A-5 not loading next round
PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2021 10:54 am 
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McFarmer wrote:
Would the springs make any indifference to the settings ? Isn’t the action spring different with the Remington ?

Sorry to derail the thread.

My Model 11 uses Browning springs, because Remington springs have been unobtanium for decades.

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 Post subject: Re: Browning A-5 not loading next round
PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2021 11:46 am 
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My friend's Remington Automatic Shotgun that predates even the Model 11 has worked fine with new Auto 5 springs.

Have you replaced the magazine spring? If so, I guess maybe it needs a looksee by Art's but it doesn't sound like it could be much wrong. They are a proven reliable platform.


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 Post subject: Re: Browning A-5 not loading next round
PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2021 10:52 pm 
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Friction Piece and Friction ring, the recoil spring, action spring have all been replaced. With a shell in the chamber and one in the magazine you can fire it and the shell in the chamber ejects as it should.
The shell in the magazine is partially out of the magazine tube resting on the locking block latch as it should be, but it does not move when the gun is fired; but if the bolt is operated by hand it does cycle fine as it should.




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