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I'm among those who recommend an 1100 Classic Trap. You can find them new for under $1,000. I bought mine from Gamaliel Shooting Supply (http://www.gamaliel.com/)--great people and great service. The 1100 CT has a little protrusion at the top of the chamber that throws the spent shells to your feet rather than at the guy next to you.

If you really want a pump gun, take a look at the Browning BPS Trap: http://www.browning.com/products/catalo ... ype_id=242

I love mine. It's a very well-made shotgun, and I particularly like the bottom ejection because it keeps you from hitting the shooter to your right. Also, it has a single-shot selector that makes loading one shell extremely easy. It's a well-designed shotgun.

Tom
 
Discussion starter · #82 ·
Heh, it just gets better for me.

Finally got around to cleaning the grease off of it today. There is a thin 1.5" long scratch through the bluing (and longer if you include the parts of the scratch that didn't go through the bluing). They're not going to do anything for me on the barrel being no longer made as this is now considered the proper classic trap barrel (it does still have a non-parallel rib, although not by as much, and the way the beads are it may as well be parallel), but at least this time they're sending the replacement to me today rather than waiting for my barrel to get to them.
 
Too bad you are so far away. I now where there is an 870 Classic Trap sitting on the shelf here in central PA. Have your dealer call Geiser Guns in Sunbury, PA. 570 286 2611. Good luck. You are making a good chile by the way.
 
I messed around and let somebody else buy a really fine condition late 50's Model 12 trap configured gun (with suspiciously plain wood) for a thousand dollars. There won't be any "issues" with that old Model 12, as it is a "by God" honest trap gun.

Remington needs to make a "by God" trap gun if they want to keep on selling 870 and 1100 trap guns. This isn't good news in this thread, is it folks?
 
Discussion starter · #85 ·
strut64 said:
Too bad you are so far away. I now where there is an 870 Classic Trap sitting on the shelf here in central PA. Have your dealer call Geiser Guns in Sunbury, PA. 570 286 2611. Good luck. You are making a good chile by the way.
What is "making a good chile"? I'm guessing it's some sort of regional expression that I don't know about.

Oh, and I called - they have no interest in selling me just the barrel for my replacement barrel + cash.
 
SuperXOne said:
I messed around and let somebody else buy a really fine condition late 50's Model 12 trap configured gun (with suspiciously plain wood) for a thousand dollars. There won't be any "issues" with that old Model 12, as it is a "by God" honest trap gun.

Remington needs to make a "by God" trap gun if they want to keep on selling 870 and 1100 trap guns. This isn't good news in this thread, is it folks?
I don't understand the Model-12 religion. Every time I shoot one, it kicks the cr*p out of me and seems cheap. I'll stick with my BPS Trap: It's a better made shotgun.

Tom
 
It's a Thomas Crosley Johnson,,,, two thousand seven hundred inspections,,,, forged and milled chrome moly steel,,,, made in the sactum sanctorum at New Haven,,,, Model 12 sort of thing. :wink:

(We don't even want a cast steel barrel hanger on a Model 12,,,like they started in 1960. We like them forged and milled out of cold hard steel.)

The reason I didn't buy the Model 12 was that if the gun was marketed by Simmons (a legendary, almost holy name in it's own right) or if Winchester sent the gun to Simmons from New Haven to have it's round post rib installed,,,then it's well worth a thousand dollars. But if somebody sent the gun to Simmons for a rib after they got it home it's worth a lot less. Which I admit is very silly and another Model 12 sort of thing.

But they haven't made any real Model 12's since Lydon Johnson was president. It's a nice thing to know you can still buy a brand new BPS trap or a brand new 870 trap and get a righteous gun,,,,,although not a geniune Model 12.

I've owned several BPS shotguns, and I understand they do (or at least used to) make a trap model. But I can't say as I've ever actually seen one. I'll bet it's well made, the front sight was put on right, it doesn't have a three inch or longer chamber, it has a higher comb, it has better wood than a field grade, and it's a good, honest to God trap gun. That's not much to expect from from a trap gun,,,,,that's normal and as it should be :wink:
 
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strut64 said:
spike, the word started out to be choice but I cobbled it, and spell checker really messed it up.
I did really like the gun the one time I shot it with the old barrel.

Here's the thing I don't get. I was looking at the Remington parts list. They have two ivory beads, one for trap that is "larger bead" and one that is just regular. Why would you want the larger bead for trap? That would make POI lower (well...now that I think about it the pedastal on the bottom of the front bead is more what matters, but the question still stands). If I could make the bottom of the front bead close to flush with the rail it would help.

I'm not even sure if this is the barrel they meant to send me. Looking at the parts list this should be a 3" chamber...so why does it note on the barrel that you can use 3.5" shells when on a supermag receiver? I guess I'll find out when I get the next one.
 
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SuperXOne said:
It's a Thomas Crosley Johnson,,,, two thousand seven hundred inspections,,,, forged and milled chrome moly steel,,,, made in the sactum sanctorum at New Haven,,,, Model 12 sort of thing. :wink:

(We don't even want a cast steel barrel hanger on a Model 12,,,like they started in 1960. We like them forged and milled out of cold hard steel.)

The reason I didn't buy the Model 12 was that if the gun was marketed by Simmons (a legendary, almost holy name in it's own right) or if Winchester sent the gun to Simmons from New Haven to have it's round post rib installed,,,then it's well worth a thousand dollars. But if somebody sent the gun to Simmons for a rib after they got it home it's worth a lot less. Which I admit is very silly and another Model 12 sort of thing.

But they haven't made any real Model 12's since Lydon Johnson was president. It's a nice thing to know you can still buy a brand new BPS trap or a brand new 870 trap and get a righteous gun,,,,,although not a geniune Model 12.

I've owned several BPS shotguns, and I understand they do (or at least used to) make a trap model. But I can't say as I've ever actually seen one. I'll bet it's well made, the front sight was put on right, it doesn't have a three inch or longer chamber, it has a higher comb, it has better wood than a field grade, and it's a good, honest to God trap gun. That's not much to expect from from a trap gun,,,,,that's normal and as it should be :wink:
If the BPS Trap had better furniture I wouldn't have chosen the 870CT so readily.
 
marlinspike said:
If the BPS Trap had better furniture I wouldn't have chosen the 870CT so readily.
The BPS Trap guns made currently do look a bit plain, compared to the trap versions I remember form years ago as can be seen in the link, especially if you click on the close up;

http://www.browning.com/products/catalo ... ype_id=242

I have only examined a few new guns and they were similar in wood grade in the link.

They did seem to cycle well and were well finished, just a bit plain.
 
marlinspike said:
Why would you want the larger bead for trap? That would make POI lower (well...now that I think about it the pedastal on the bottom of the front bead is more what matters, but the question still stands). If I could make the bottom of the front bead close to flush with the rail it would help.
No, the size of the front bead wouldn't matter if you stack them. No matter how large the bead is, you are putting the top of the mid bead at the bottom of the front bead. You could have a basket ball on the front and you haven't moved the bottom so, the POI would be the same. (of course you wouldn't see the target at all with a basket ball on there so, POI wouldn't matter at that point :lol: )

What does matter is the size/height of the mid bead. If you're stacking them, the larger/higher the mid bead, the higher your POI will be.

The size of the front bead is just user preference.
 
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Rastoff said:
marlinspike said:
Why would you want the larger bead for trap? That would make POI lower (well...now that I think about it the pedastal on the bottom of the front bead is more what matters, but the question still stands). If I could make the bottom of the front bead close to flush with the rail it would help.
No, the size of the front bead wouldn't matter if you stack them. No matter how large the bead is, you are putting the top of the mid bead at the bottom of the front bead. You could have a basket ball on the front and you haven't moved the bottom so, the POI would be the same. (of course you wouldn't see the target at all with a basket ball on there so, POI wouldn't matter at that point :lol: )

What does matter is the size/height of the mid bead. If you're stacking them, the larger/higher the mid bead, the higher your POI will be.

The size of the front bead is just user preference.
Yeah, I realized that when I thought about it. The problem with this one is it doesn't have as much of a rake to the rib and the bead is on somewhat of a thick pedestal.
 
I have posted this question on the Remington Online Help Center;

I would like to check the validity of a report I read that the 2 3/4" chambered target barrels will no longer be made and that 870 Classic Traps will now be fitted with a 3" chambered barrel.

Is this true?


It usually takes a few working days to get a reply so I don't expect to have anything back until sometime next week.
 
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Claydust said:
I have posted this question on the Remington Online Help Center;

I would like to check the validity of a report I read that the 2 3/4" chambered target barrels will no longer be made and that 870 Classic Traps will now be fitted with a 3" chambered barrel.

Is this true?


It usually takes a few working days to get a reply so I don't expect to have anything back until sometime next week.
Let me know what you hear back. The guy was adamant about this and insisted that the M in my serial number means the receiver is for a magnum chamber, even when I said the barrel that came with the gun specified 2 3/4" shells. I wonder if maybe he's right about my original barrel being no longer made (something everybody I've spoken with at Remington agrees with) but is wrong about this barrel being the proper replacement (something everybody has just assumed based on that this is what I was sent).
 
marlinspike said:
Let me know what you hear back.
Absolutely, I am VERY interested in following this topic.

In regards to;

marlinspike said:
How much quality of pattern am I losing by having a 3.5 inch chamber instead of a 2 3/4
I can't say.

It is interesting to see that Beretta target guns appear to be made with 3" chambers, including autoloaders, the 682 and the DT10.

This can be seen by clicking on the "Specifications" tab, on these links;

https://www.berettausa.com/e2wProductGr ... 4100001516

https://www.berettausa.com/e2wProductGr ... 4100001523

https://www.berettausa.com/e2wProductGr ... 4100001496

https://www.berettausa.com/e2wProductGr ... 4100001500

https://www.berettausa.com/e2wProductGr ... 4100001526
 
Yes, my DT10 had a 3" chamber and I was surprised to see that. My Ljutic with a 2 3/4" chamber patterns more evenly than the DT10 did. There are a lot of factors to that so, I don't want to say that my observation is the final word, but the Ljutic does have a better pattern.
 
I don't know. My rib does not touch the receiver when the barrel is properly inserted. There is about 1/16" gap from the end of the rib to the receiver.
 
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