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Dinger

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Hello, I have an interesting dilemma. I have a Citori Sporting Clays 12ga that I have been shooting Skeet with. It works well when I do my part. However, it beats me up. After, 100rds of 1 oz, 9 shot my jaw is sore and my head throbs. So, I started looking at other O/U's paying close attention to fit. I found a Beretta 682 E Gold Sporting that seems to fit me like a glove. My question is that in order to acquire the Beretta I would have to sell/trade the Citori. It's a bit of a leap of faith as well as an expensive venture. Anyone have experience with both? Any suggestions?
 
Dinger,

Why not get your Citori fit to you?

The odds of buying a gun that actually fits properly are slim to nil.

Scott
 
Discussion starter · #3 ·
Thanks for the reply. Please excuse my rookie questions. The 2 biggest differences I noticed on the 682 was drop and cast. The cast was significantly better for me on the Beretta and the drop brought my line of sight up dramatically better than my Citori. What I am experiencing with the Citori is increased cheek pressure to align the beads. I am having to press my right cheek down and into the stock to gain any consistency. Is it possible to correct this on the Citori. Again, I apologize if this has been addressed before.. Thanks!
 
Dinger,

Yes, it is possible to have your Citori modified to fit you properly.

Where do you live?

Scott
 
This is the best gun fitter in the nation:

http://www.gunfitter.com/

You might want to give them a call to see when they might be in your area again.

Gun fit is everything. You are not going to buy a gun off the shelf that fits you perfectly.

Scott
 
Yeah. What Winders said.

You will never find a 3-piece suit that will fit you perfectly right off the rack, and you will never find a gun that fits you perfectly right out of the box. The Beretta may come closer to fitting you than the Browning does, but I guarantee it does not fit you right.

I prefer Berettas over Brownings, but I can't see selling a Browning to buy a Beretta just because of the stock fit.

You might try posting another message asking for the name of a good gun fitter in your area.
 
what ever you do, dont buy a beretta..it is not all that it is hyped up to be, i brought a sp2 and the problems keep on coming..worst of all beretta does not reply to your concerns.

stick with the browoning and get the stock fitted to you
 
If you are anywhere in the Central NY area, have a look in the back of a Trap and Field magazine and look for Mark Duprez out on Owasco Lake. He's a genuine master at his craft, in my opinion. Other guys can put on an adjustable comb or change the pitch or LOP or whatnot, but Mark will spend the time needed to do the job complete and when you walk away, you'll have a gun that is customized to you exactly.
 
Dinger,
I agree on the importance of having a shotgun fitted to you professionally, and have had my guns done. But perhaps another approach is in order here.
Before you end up going to the subgauges for skeet, and as are only shooting the 12 gauge, consider reloading your own light loads. A MEC Jr reloading press is less than $100 dollars. Accurate Powder offers loading data for their Solo 1000 powder for cowboy action purposes, and I have found those loads great on the skeet field. You can load that 12 ga. down to 7/8 and even 3/4 of an ounce of shot, slow the velocity down to just under 1150 FPS, and have a tremendously effective and comfortable shell to use. My friends have told me it is almost like shooting a .22 compared to their 12 ga. loads. And being a cheap German-American, I love the savings on the shot and powder costs.
You also save by not having to buy another gun! But you should still get your gun fitted to you as well. You won't be sorry you did.

Good luck, shoot straight, and be safe.

Grousen
 
Dinger,

I forgot two points. The 12 ga. is in many people's opinion, including mine, way too much gun for skeet. That is why the subgauges are so popular in skeet. It is also why I love my .410 on the skeet field. NO RECOIL!!!!

Also, who wants to pick up shells being thrown out by an autoloader, or litter the field?

But just in case you decide to sell your gun, let me know if it is a Browning Special Sporting Clays, and what barrel length it is. If it hasn't been shot too much, and the price is right, that is the gun I want to buy for my son!

Good luck. Grousen
 
Grousen,

The reason the sub-gauges are so popular in Skeet is because Skeet is a four gun game and you have to shoot the the sub-gauges to compete.

Many of the best American Skeet shooters in the world don't agree that the 12 gauge is too much gun for Skeet. These folks shoot 1 1/8 oz 12 gauge loads every chance they get.

The folks that don't shoot 1 1/8 oz 12 gauge loads shoot lighter loads or the 20 gauge to reduce recoil.

The recreational shooter has his own reasons for shooting the sub-gauges. It might be recoil. Or it could be the challenge of throwing a smaller pattern out there. It also might be the only shotgun he has. No matter what, the 12 gauge is not "way too much gun" unless you are shooting 100/100 scores without fail every time you shoot it. Skeet is a little tougher than that!

Scott
 
Discussion starter · #15 ·
Thanks for the replys. I sold the Citori and picked up a Beretta 682 12ga. For some reason I can shoot this one all day w/o discomfort. But I am looking for a set of Briley Companion tubes in 20ga just for the fun of it....Thanks!
 
Discussion starter · #16 ·
Okay, here's the dilemma. Now that I have the 682 I can't hit anything. The weight difference is killing me. But, my face isn't pounding and I can focus on the target. Any suggestions for adding weight to the muzzle? Thanks!
 
Winders,
Not all skeet shooters shoot skeet competitively for many reasons. And none need to justify this to anybody. Yet I am sure many recreational shooters enjoy the sport of skeet just as much as "the experts" that do shoot competively. Many recreational shooters shoot the sub-gauges exclusively, and enjoy many clean rounds with them.
Your statement of "skeet is a four gun game" smacks of the attitude that if you do not shoot skeet competively, you are not a skeet shooter. Take a chill pill pal.
I had qualified my comment of the 12 gauge being too much gun for skeet as being my opinion. Please note that nowhere have I attempted to pass myself off as an expert. EXCUSE ME for forgetting that your opinion was the only one permitted. How will you ever forgive me?
I have a great amount of respect and admiration for the truly gifted, dedicated, and skilled competitive shooter. But the skeet world does not belong to just the competitive shooter.
Grousen
 
Grousen,

You need to learn to read BEFORE you get bent all out of shape.

No where in my post did I suggest that the recreational Skeet shooter is not a real Skeet shooter or is somehow an inferior person. You can read all of my 2200 some odd posts if you want, but you will not find any text that suggests the recreational Skeet shooter is not a real Skeet shooter.

Who said folks that don't shoot Skeet competitively need to justify anything to anyone??? Where do you get this stuff??

You might not like me saying it, but Skeet is a four gun game. Even a lot of recreational shooters have tube sets so they can shoot any gun they want. These shooters know that Skeet is a four gun game and they like to test themselves too. It's fun shooting different guns. As I said in my previous post, recreational shooters have their own reasons for shooting the sub-gauges at Skeet.

You said:

"The 12 ga. is in many people's opinion, including mine, way too much gun for skeet."

I wrote:

"Many of the best American Skeet shooters in the world don't agree that the 12 gauge is too much gun for Skeet."

Sure, my text is not agreeing with your text. But, my text was not disrespectful, rude, or in any way mean spirited. If you can't handle that opposing opinion, you are in trouble anywhere on the Internet, including here.

Now, you take the "chill pill" because you got all hot under the collar for nothing....

Scott
 
If you really want to add weight to the muzzle you can get a clamp on weight from Brily or other suppliers. You can move it up and down the barrel to adjust balance. I think you might just need to shoot the gun awhile and adjust. Have you patterned the new Beretta for POI the way you hold and shoot it? Could be your point of impact moved on you with the difference in stock fit. I shoot 3 or 4 guns of different weight, but I know that all of them "shoot to the bead" when I pick them up.
 
Discussion starter · #20 ·
Bill
I think you are right. I just need to shoot it more. It is a bit of adjustment going from one to the other I guess. The Beretta seems to swing faster and I am swinging past them (especially on 3.4 and 5). I am looking at some bbl weights that are available. However, I don't like the looks of some of the bolt on weights. But they may be a solution. Do you know a pic of the Briley set up? I can't find one on their site. Also, talking to a local guy who may make some for me out of Lynotype.

I did pattern it at 22yds. It is hitting right at the bead. A true 50/50 pattern. Whereas my Citori was more 60/40. So, that will take some adjusting to.

Thanks!
 
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