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Discussion starter · #41 ·
SuperXOne said:
The decency of the NRA died with Charlton Heston. The organization that I still believe is the best defender of our right to be armed,,,,has degenerated into a cult of Wayne LaPierre palling around with Dickie Morris, predicting United Nations invasions to take away our guns. The American Rifleman, where once the editors would not accept advertising from the makers of products that weren't approved by the editorial staff,,,,is a right wing propaganda rag full of penis pills, gold peddlers, sexy girls with military weapons, and insults against anyone that disagrees with them. You'd no more take that magazine in a school, church, or business lobby than you would Playboy or Hustler.
Did you hit your head or something?
 
A democrat claiming high moral ground was hilarious.

I would expect to see the democratic party response we get here on moveon.org. Its pathetic, racist, vulgar, lacks common sense and obviously shows the lack of intelligence in the people who are liberal democrats.

I would love to see how long a pro gun post would last as well as the membership of the person posting it on a liberal web site.

Its a shame its allowed to continue here.
 
I go to Democrat meetings very often, and it's very seldom I see a traditional liberal Democrat. The overwhelming majority seem to be Christians, and there are a great many retired schoolteachers. I would venture all them have guns in the home, although I might be one of the few with an AR-15.

These are decent, God fearing, hard working, traditional people, about the same as the Republicans used to be when I was a Republican, years ago.

Not a one of them could go to an NRA convention, today. I'm a life member of the NRA, but I have to keep that quiet.

The NRA has become a mouthpiece for the right wingers that hate public education, poor people, moderation, and traditional notions of decent and civilized behavior, as I was raised that such notions of decency were.

I'd say the traditional, decent, moderate Republicans pretty well abandoned the NRA about the same time that George H.W. Bush resigned in disgust over Wayne LaPierre calling federal agents jack booted thugs.

The NRA has been around since 1871. At it's core, is a noble institution that supports the right of all citizens to be armed.

You can't tell it to look at the NRA today, but eventually, it will become a bipartisan defender of the right to be armed, once again,,,,,

Minus Ted Nugent, and all the rest of the wild eyed zealots.

The NRA has to reclaim the moral high ground, sooner or later.
 
Discussion starter · #44 ·
SuperXOne said:
I go to Democrat meetings very often, and it's very seldom I see a traditional liberal Democrat. The overwhelming majority seem to be Christians, and there are a great many retired schoolteachers.
There is a political forum here and a Christian forum here as well: this is the "Gun Control" forum. Shame on you for stinking up this thread.

There is no excuse for lying or coming up with the ridiculous notion about who can go to an NRA convention-- any NRA member is quite welcome. I've been to several, they are friendly and fun, and the weird nonsensical stuff you've dreamed up isn't there.
 
RandyWakeman said:
SuperXOne said:
I go to Democrat meetings very often, and it's very seldom I see a traditional liberal Democrat. The overwhelming majority seem to be Christians, and there are a great many retired schoolteachers.
There is a political forum here and a Christian forum here as well: this is the "Gun Control" forum. Shame on you for stinking up this thread.

There is no excuse for lying or coming up with the ridiculous notion about who can go to an NRA convention-- any NRA member is quite welcome. I've been to several, they are friendly and fun, and the weird nonsensical stuff you've dreamed up isn't there.
Some of us believe it's the right wingers that have stunk up the NRA and the defense of the right to keep and bear arms.

How could you expect some nice, decent, retired Baptist schoolteacher to attend some kind of NRA rally, today? Could you show them the American Rifleman?

The Rifleman has been an absolute sewer of soft porn girlies with guns, and political cartoons, and gold peddlers, and penis pill advertisements, for years and years now.

Democrats know, where they are not welcome, and they aren't welcome anywhere in the NRA.

And, I suppose it's just as well, today.

No decent, well raised, moderate Republican would be any more welcome than a Democrat, either.

This only works for gun owners, as long as we have the really radical Republicans in power.

After them, the deluge.
 
SuperXOne said:
How could you expect some nice, decent, retired Baptist schoolteacher to attend some kind of NRA rally, today? Could you show them the American Rifleman?
You cannot be serious. How could one expect some nice, decent, retired Baptist schoolteacher to attend any kind of DEMOCRAT rally today? There is absolutely no comparison to the filth promoted by the party with which you have chosen to align yourself and an NRA convention or the American Rifleman magazine.

You could use a really hard dope-slap to the back of the head.

Snap out of it.
 
Discussion starter · #47 ·
What is obvious to anyone that can possibly detect the obvious is that the Armalite rifle is a civilian semi-automatic rifle in common use: very, very, common as dirt use. Right now, over 5,000,000 AR-15's are owned by United States civilians.

United States citizens own over 10 times the amount of Armalite rifles today than we so much as have active soldiers in the Regular Army. They are used for hunting, target practice, and self-defense. Civilian police officers use AR-15 rifles more than any other rifle, for the defense of self and others. That's precisely how many of the 5 million Armalite rifles are used: for the lawful defense of self and others. For from being "assault rifles" or weapons of war, the opposite is true. They are anti-assault rifles owned and used almost entirely by civilians in the United States.

In 2014, according to the FBI, 660 murders were committed unarmed, 1,567 were committed with knives and only 248 murders were known to have been committed using rifles of any type.

The role of government is to protect Constitutional Rights, not to steal them.
 
I'd like to find some tiny trace of decency and moderation left to the NRA, but alas, it's hard to find anymore.

Take a look at their web page.

https://home.nra.org/

The majority of the people in this nation don't approve of Donald Trump, and there is is, top of the page, front and center, on the NRA web site. He's followed up by Wayne LaPierre, and a host of other characters of the kind one used to find on a slate of professional wrestling at the Shrine Mosque.

The NRA has lost it's decency.

It's an ultra right wing political organization, today, with no appeal for anybody that's not ultraconservative.

That's fine for as long as Trump lasts, but what will we do, when decency returns to government?

The American Rifleman should be a magazine, that your mother wouldn't whip you for reading and your teachers wouldn't make you throw in the trash.

That would be a good start.

Then, it's well to remember that all the AR-15's and other military styled weapons make up only a fraction of the guns in America today.

Charlton Heston held up a musket.

Today I think the only guns that the NRA champions look like a prop from a Rambo movie.

I'm still with the NRA, but they need to change their ways, back to when they were wholesome and good, and you could be proud to read the Rifleman.
 
Discussion starter · #49 ·
SuperXOne said:
I'd like to find some tiny trace of decency and moderation left to the NRA, but alas, it's hard to find anymore.
Try rubbing your eyes or something. When was the last time you went to an NRA convention?

Your rude posts are wildly off-topic: the subject matter is the Second Amendment, not your delusional assertions about political parties, nor your personal version of moderation or decency that you might want to inflict upon others.
 
By and large school teachers are progressive activists, not the gentle souls that you portray. And they detest guns and gun owners. Pull your head out
 
SuperXOne said:
RandyWakeman said:
SuperXOne said:
I go to Democrat meetings very often, and it's very seldom I see a traditional liberal Democrat. The overwhelming majority seem to be Christians, and there are a great many retired schoolteachers.
There is a political forum here and a Christian forum here as well: this is the "Gun Control" forum. Shame on you for stinking up this thread.

There is no excuse for lying or coming up with the ridiculous notion about who can go to an NRA convention-- any NRA member is quite welcome. I've been to several, they are friendly and fun, and the weird nonsensical stuff you've dreamed up isn't there.
Some of us believe it's the right wingers that have stunk up the NRA and the defense of the right to keep and bear arms.

How could you expect some nice, decent, retired Baptist schoolteacher to attend some kind of NRA rally, today? Could you show them the American Rifleman?

The Rifleman has been an absolute sewer of soft porn girlies with guns, and political cartoons, and gold peddlers, and penis pill advertisements, for years and years now.

Democrats know, where they are not welcome, and they aren't welcome anywhere in the NRA.

And, I suppose it's just as well, today.

No decent, well raised, moderate Republican would be any more welcome than a Democrat, either.

This only works for gun owners, as long as we have the really radical Republicans in power.

After them, the deluge.
You claim decency and vote for abortion? Yeah its time for you to go on ignore again. Your day of just making comments that are lies has gone a little to far.

You're aligned with a gun grabbing, anti Christian, (remember the voice vote on including God in the Democratic party platform?),no self responsibility political party. Coming here daily to whine and lie doesn't change that.

Gun Control loosely described in modern time is political. At no point in your time on this board have I ever thought you on the right side of most any issue especially gun control. You're unwelcome in my life, aren't going to take any more of my time reading your garbage and stay the hell out of any club that has had NRA money put in to it.
 
Casonet is exactly right & if you think what is going on in our schools is bad, just look at what garbage they are teaching young adults in our colleges. They believe it because that's all they hear. They are brainwashing these kids just like Hitler did in Nazi Germany! The graduate engineering students back in the 60's at the University where I studied engineering defined a college professor as one that is educated way beyond their I.Q.. That was said sort of, "Tongue in cheek", but there is some truth in almost everything.
BTW, what's wrong with the NRA's home page? Just think, without the NRA, we not only might not still have a second amendment, but we could also have an idiot in the white house. We just got rid of one of them. Hillery, along with quite a few of her colleagues, has absolutely no business in any position of responsible authority. She holds no political office. She has a constitutional right to express her opinion but she can call her representatives like everybody else if she wants to complain. I didn't care what her opinion was when she held a political office, except to stay abreast of what the enemy was up to. I sure don't give any credibility to it now! Like one guy said after the election, "Sponge Bob could have beat Hillary".
The left's (democratic) propaganda, smear campaign is over the line. They have a right to object but they don't have a right to undermine our president. They don't have a right to defame our president. What they are doing is borderline treason & I wonder if it doesn't rise to the level of a hate crime. They have been spoiled for so long that they think they have a right to always get their way & they throw a temper tantrum when they don't get it. We shouldn't tolerate their infantile, un-American antics. I will ask my congressman if he might get the House Committee on "Un-American Activities" to investigate.

BTW, this isn't a religious discussion or a discussion on abortion rights. It is all related, however, & it is all under attack by the left, essentially an attack on the Constitution of the United States of America. I became a life member of the NRA in 1968 while in the U.S. Military in Vietnam & consider an attack on the NRA as a personal attack on me, just as I would consider an attack on the United States as such.
 
Sorry I dragged abortion in on this. It was a attempt(and it does) at showing the hypocritical aspect of the democratic party when it comes to guns then claim a high moral ground.

Yes, its all connected at the hip though.
 
The NRA is a one issue organization & this is a one issue forum. Your right to whatever your beliefs are on other issues are your business as long as they don't conflict with the Constitution. However, "never underestimate the enemy", their plan is to divide & conquer. The enemy doesn't play fair, we need to stay focused & not allow other issues to detract us from the greater purpose.
 
SX-1, I'd like to find a tiny trace of decency and moderation in the NEA. How does the shoe fit on the other foot?
 
SX.....if you can find copies of the American Rifleman from the 1950's you will find the magazine was a great read - BUT, that was the time when the politicians drew First Blood....every issue has a list of the stupid "laws" being force upon American shooters from each state and from the federal government - mostly from states!! Every month another list of things that law abiding people had to contend with. IF NOT for the NRA the politicians would have taken every firearm from every American decades ago - just ask Feinstein!!!
 
RandyWakeman said:
SuperXOne said:
The decency of the NRA died with Charlton Heston. The organization that I still believe is the best defender of our right to be armed,,,,has degenerated into a cult of Wayne LaPierre palling around with Dickie Morris, predicting United Nations invasions to take away our guns. The American Rifleman, where once the editors would not accept advertising from the makers of products that weren't approved by the editorial staff,,,,is a right wing propaganda rag full of penis pills, gold peddlers, sexy girls with military weapons, and insults against anyone that disagrees with them. You'd no more take that magazine in a school, church, or business lobby than you would Playboy or Hustler.
Did you hit your head or something?
Trolls will troll Randy. Probably even think they're relevant
 
I read a lot of the NRA's magazines and I don't find anything offensive in them. The language is pretty much G rated. The only people that could possibly be offended by their magazine is the gun haters. My mom wouldn't whip me for reading it.
Late night TV and the speeches of Democrat politicians is far cruder than anything written in The American Rifleman.
I'd rather have my kids read The American Rifleman than watch the Acadamy Awards or the Super Bowl half time show.
 
Discussion starter · #60 ·
B.L.E. said:
I read a lot of the NRA's magazines and I don't find anything offensive in them.
There is more "offensive" content on the 10 pm news, every single night. There is more offensive content in the 24 hours news cycle constantly than in any NRA rag.

Let's look at facts about idiots: http://heyjackass.com/ . Problem is, these are facts, not little things that can offend only those who seek to be offended and apparently enjoy being offended.

2017 Homicide Clearance Rate

Legal Outcome Homicides
No Suspect Charged 162
Suspect Charged 23
Police-Involved 4
Self-Defense 3
The perpetual stupidity manifested in Chicago is perpetrated by who? NRA members? Those that legally carry? Those that have FOID cards and can legally possess a gun?

It is some sort of sick, offensive joke. The Second Amendment entitles no one to commit crime. That laws are not enforced is whose responsibility?

Unarmed innocent citizens, unable to defend themselves, should greatly offend every American.
 
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