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NH Squirrelhunter said:
I finally got a chance to see & handle the V3 recently. As the store had both guns right next to one another, I handled both a V3 26" synthetic & a VersaMax Sportsman, also with a 26" barrel. The V3 may be the handiest 12 gauge autoloader I've ever run across, feeling more like a 20 gauge than anything. Handling was rather lively, though for some reason it didn't seem to fit as well as the VersaMax. I was also able to acheive a better 'sight picture' with the VersaMax, which though comparably muzzle heavy & slower swinging, seemed to connect with my shoulder better.
Having noticed the V3's gas vents, I can see where their location could certainly lead to the 'blowback' issues that have been reported. Without shooting one, I can't say how this would be for someone like me who runs things off the left shoulder. Fit and finish appeared good, the gun has many included features (as noted, at some online prices, plus the rebate, there seems to be much value built-in), and I would certainly love to try one out; I can't help but wonder though, if I might shoot better with the VersaMax...

Kind Regards,

~ SH ~
The blowback in your face actually comes from where the receiver and the forearm meet. I did a ton of testing with duct tape to narrow it down.

For those that say it doesn't exist are just not being honest. Mine did it, my hunting buddys did it and the guy I let shoot mine last summer bought one. I ran into him 2 weeks ago. He said his did it. So that's 3-3 !! He also added a part in his bolt broke last year while in ND.

Shame they could have such a great shooter with the Versa Eagle(yes half Rem half Benelli) and then screw up the "new" 3" gun.

At least they used the Rem chokes vs the Pro Bore, I'll give them that.
 
The Drake said:
The blowback in your face actually comes from where the receiver and the forearm meet. I did a ton of testing with duct tape to narrow it down.

For those that say it doesn't exist are just not being honest. Mine did it, my hunting buddys did it and the guy I let shoot mine last summer bought one. I ran into him 2 weeks ago. He said his did it. So that's 3-3 !! He also added a part in his bolt broke last year while in ND.

Shame they could have such a great shooter with the Versa Eagle(yes half Rem half Benelli) and then screw up the "new" 3" gun.

At least they used the Rem chokes vs the Pro Bore, I'll give them that.
The "Drake" has a lot of problems keeping his sometimes entertaining, but often nonsensical, always anonymous stories straight.

The Drake said:
I have been patient with Rem. My first VM shot a foot high and left, the 2nd broke an extractor in year 3 of use and only its 4th box of 3.5's.
Whoever you are, your postings are increasingly wildly erratic and make no sense.

You claim to have been patterning your V3, back in April:

The Drake said:
Post subject: V3 Patterns Today
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 12:23 pm
Patterned the new V3 28" barrel with Fiocchi 1550fps 1 1/5 oz Max Steel. 30 circle drawn post shot.
On this thread, you've just mentioned:

The Drake said:
I will shoot my Versamax this year again with my new SX3 as my back-up gun.
Yet, you recently had this to say about the SX3:

The Drake said:
SX3 is a piss poor gas piston system. First the gas spring can and will break its just a matter of when. Second the system really doesnt work effectively, shoot different loads and you will the ejection distnacs are the very very close. Do that with a good gun with a good gas design and you will see the ejections are vastly different, meaning the system is working and reducing recoil and regulating itself.......
But, despite the "piss poor gas piston system" of the SX3 you claim to have just purchased a new one. Are you waiting for the Browning engineers to call you, so you can fix the miserably poor Activ valve system for them as well?

Back in May, "The Drake" had this to say about the V3:
The Drake said:
3 years and my Versamax has never jammed (did break an extractor shooting 3.5" the 3rd year)......2 months on the V3 and so far so good.
In June, "The Drake" had this to say about the V3:
The Drake said:
Its truly a self cleaning system, 4500 degree gas pushed out through the ports at 10,000 PSI........by far the best gas system ever made !!

No springs to break like the Beretta's and Brownings do. My Maxus puked a gas spring at 1000 3" loads and my friends Xtrema2 did his at less than 1000 3" loads. Browning told me it could happen again in 10 shots or 10,000- Beretta took 5.5 months to fix my friends Xtrema as the springs were back ordered for 4 months.


It is getting pretty weird, so very odd that you can't make this stuff up.
Somehow, some way, a gun that was "2 months on the V3 and so far so good" back in May mysteriously generates a new dedicated blowback rant / thread ... in August. After ranting about your Maxus, going off about someone else's Xtrema2, praising the V3 after supposedly five or more months of use, now you are claiming to somehow being "patient with Remington." You sound more than a little confused. If Beretta's and Browning's truly suck (and the Winchester SX3 "is a piss poor gas piston system") as you have long claimed, what could your beef with the far more affordable V3 possibly be, a gun that you claim "has by far the best gas system ever made" ?

It is hard to come up with the name of any shotgun manufacturer that wants your business, and why would they?
 
RandyWakeman said:
The Drake said:
The blowback in your face actually comes from where the receiver and the forearm meet. I did a ton of testing with duct tape to narrow it down.

For those that say it doesn't exist are just not being honest. Mine did it, my hunting buddys did it and the guy I let shoot mine last summer bought one. I ran into him 2 weeks ago. He said his did it. So that's 3-3 !! He also added a part in his bolt broke last year while in ND.

Shame they could have such a great shooter with the Versa Eagle(yes half Rem half Benelli) and then screw up the "new" 3" gun.

At least they used the Rem chokes vs the Pro Bore, I'll give them that.
The "Drake" has a lot of problems keeping his sometimes entertaining, but often nonsensical, always anonymous stories straight.

The Drake said:
I have been patient with Rem. My first VM shot a foot high and left, the 2nd broke an extractor in year 3 of use and only its 4th box of 3.5's.
Whoever you are, your postings are increasingly wildly erratic and make no sense.

You claim to have been patterning your V3, back in April:

The Drake said:
Post subject: V3 Patterns Today
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 12:23 pm
Patterned the new V3 28" barrel with Fiocchi 1550fps 1 1/5 oz Max Steel. 30 circle drawn post shot.
On this thread, you've just mentioned:

The Drake said:
I will shoot my Versamax this year again with my new SX3 as my back-up gun.
Yet, you recently had this to say about the SX3:

The Drake said:
SX3 is a piss poor gas piston system. First the gas spring can and will break its just a matter of when. Second the system really doesnt work effectively, shoot different loads and you will the ejection distnacs are the very very close. Do that with a good gun with a good gas design and you will see the ejections are vastly different, meaning the system is working and reducing recoil and regulating itself.......
But, despite the "piss poor gas piston system" of the SX3 you claim to have just purchased a new one. Are you waiting for the Browning engineers to call you, so you can fix the miserably poor Activ valve system for them as well?

Back in May, "The Drake" had this to say about the V3:
The Drake said:
3 years and my Versamax has never jammed (did break an extractor shooting 3.5" the 3rd year)......2 months on the V3 and so far so good.
In June, "The Drake" had this to say about the V3:
The Drake said:
Its truly a self cleaning system, 4500 degree gas pushed out through the ports at 10,000 PSI........by far the best gas system ever made !!

No springs to break like the Beretta's and Brownings do. My Maxus puked a gas spring at 1000 3" loads and my friends Xtrema2 did his at less than 1000 3" loads. Browning told me it could happen again in 10 shots or 10,000- Beretta took 5.5 months to fix my friends Xtrema as the springs were back ordered for 4 months.


It is getting pretty weird, so very odd that you can't make this stuff up.
Somehow, some way, a gun that was "2 months on the V3 and so far so good" back in May mysteriously generates a new dedicated blowback rant / thread ... in August. After ranting about your Maxus, going off about someone else's Xtrema2, praising the V3 after supposedly five or more months of use, now you are claiming to somehow being "patient with Remington." You sound more than a little confused. If Beretta's and Browning's truly suck (and the Winchester SX3 "is a piss poor gas piston system") as you have long claimed, what could your beef with the far more affordable V3 possibly be, a gun that you claim "has by far the best gas system ever made" ?

It is hard to come up with the name of any shotgun manufacturer that wants your business, and why would they?
You truly are the blowhard of the gun industry. This nonsensical post proves my point to its fullest.

Yes, the V3 and Versamax gas system is ingenious and the best out there. Unfortunately the V3 sprays your face with burnt powder.

Yes I was patient and am patient with my Versamax as the first shot high and left and yes it broke an extractor. So again, yes being patient as a gun should not break a part in 3 years.

The SX3/Maxus is a poor gas design and it is widely known to break. Mine in my Maxus broke after 2 years. Bought the SX3 as there are fixes for this design flaw.

Yep patterned the V3 the day I got it. Good patterning gun but no where near the GREAT choke system of the Browning and Win with their overbored .742 barrel. My advise, learn how to read and comprehend posts and stop letting the hate cloud your anemic judgement.

When Rem decides to pay there injection molder a few dollars to fix there forearm fit they will have a gun that is serviceable.

Yep, buddies Xtrema2 has been a pile. Is what it is, and the customer service was the worst you could imagine 5 months for parts.

See Randy,I can say exactly what myself and my close friends experience with guns. We are not on the take from them. So mine and others on here have an unbiased communication style. Yours uses the industry buzz words that the flavor of the month manufacturer tells and pays you to say.

As for "hiding" behind an internet name, have been around the world in the last 10 years to see all the whack jobs ? Do you watch the news ? Yes, I'll keep my internet name. Only a fool would disclose his or her real name in today society.
 
The Drake said:
See Randy,I can say exactly what myself and my close friends experience with guns.
So can any clever third-grader that is anonymous. That is always a real problem with anonymous banter from anonymous sources: a complete lack of competent documentation. It isn't news at all.

It is all very basic: the 5 W's: Who - What - Where - When - Why. Lacking the fundamental tenets of reporting, there is no reporting: just gossip, hearsay, and noise. That is the very definition of fake news, something that everyone is all too familiar with.
 
The Drake said:
RandyWakeman said:
The Drake said:
The blowback in your face actually comes from where the receiver and the forearm meet. I did a ton of testing with duct tape to narrow it down.
Your knowledge is limited, severely.

You also aren't being honest. Actually, you claimed no problems, then claimed it was due to the height of the shooter. Remington did extremely well by you, according to you. They rebarreled and promptly addressed your "problem." They could not duplicate it.

Nevertheless, you still were not happy. You forgot to mention that Remington bought your V3 from you at what you paid, so you had several months of V3 fun on Remington's dime. You got your money back and you don't own a V3. Not too many companies buy back guns from folks that have problems that cannot be duplicated. Remington did just that, for you, did they not? You forgot accidentally on purpose to mention this.

By now, over the last couple of years, I've shot, tested, and hunted with over a dozen V3's: four of them extensively. No issues, none-- if I had them, I would have reported them.

Of the many tens of thousands of V3 synthetics out there, just how many do you think have been returned to Remington?

In the case of the V3 walnut, completely different gas venting array, and no single person has ever had a "blow-back" problem, that I'm aware of. None, notta, el zippo.

The V3 won't be all things to all people, nothing much is. For the diminutive acquisition cost, it is quite worthy of anyone's consideration as an ultra-reliable, workhorse autoloader. They have been excellent performers for me and my friends for some time by now.
 
Drake,

Go to the Trulock sub forum and check the TSS thread as well as p. 9-11 on the "Heads Up on the SHE3" thread. Wakeman should (IMO) get a full length mirror and take a long, hard look in it. Plato was right about short people.
 
Randy, I really don't see the need to dismiss someone's information just because he uses a name on the forum. There are a couple of people here that know my real name have my phone number and hunt with me. I hope because I don't put personal data for everyone to see that it doesn't dismiss my opinion when it disagrees with someone else. True there will be some that hide behind the anonymous curtain to start something but I haven't see it very often and I like to hear the good and bad..

I like reading up on the v3, I think it's a fine gun but I would like to hear even the not so good stuff before purchase. Shotgun Life reviewed the V3 and gave it great reviews except when shooting Estate shell the shooter got a face full of hot particles. Didn't do it with other shells just estate... it was still good info
 
moosehead1 said:
Nevermind, I just went back and read a bunch of posts between you and Drake, there is obviously some history there..
Moose,

As long as you agree with him (Wakeman), there's apparently no problem with using a screen name. It's when you challenge his (provable) errors that it becomes a cardinal sin and he goes ad hominem on you. I wonder if he's the guy Col. Jessup had in mind when he was stating, ..."you can't handle the truth!"... as admitting error isn't in his DNA which is classic symptom of the AR (always right) syndrome.
 
moosehead1 said:
True there will be some that hide behind the anonymous curtain to start something but I haven't see it very often and I like to hear the good and bad..
That's what "fake news" is. It doesn't so much as get to the point of dismissing: gossip is gossip, hearsay is hearsay, and unverifiable information is just that: it is non-information, non-researchable, and unreliable. You cannot get sworn in anonymously, you don't have an anonymous driver's license, an anonymous credit card, you can't get an anonymous plane ticket. A third-grader cannot take a test anonymously, or hand in a report anonymously.

Considering the good and bad is of course reasonable, but anonymous good and anonymous bad are both equally unreliable. Old wive's tales aren't only from old wives. Most everyone is familiar with Chinese Whispers by now, as well as urban legends. It is not what the content is that is important: the point is merely that it is not verifiable and therefore not reliable.

Whether the comments are all positive, all negative, or a bit of both is immaterial. Whether they are verifiable and therefore reliable sources of information is the whole point. Who doesn't want reliable information?

The Drake said:
The SX3/Maxus is a poor gas design and it is widely known to break. Mine in my Maxus broke after 2 years. Bought the SX3 as there are fixes for this design flaw.

Yep patterned the V3 the day I got it. Good patterning gun but no where near the GREAT choke system of the Browning and Win with their overbored .742 barrel.

Yep, buddies Xtrema2 has been a pile. Is what it is, and the customer service was the worst you could imagine 5 months for parts.
The Drake said:
Mon Jun 06, 2016
Rem has done a horrific job or marketing this gun and rolling it out.
The Drake said:
Mon Jul 18, 2016
Remington Management should all be fired !!!!!
They make this great gun and their roll out of it is non existent !!!
The Drake said:
Sun Jul 24, 2016
..........Remington just flat out sucks at marketing !!!!
This is the type of stuff you might expect from ill-mannered grade-schoolers. Yelling "suck" all the time isn't informational, either.

This is not just fake news, it is just plain wrong. The SX3 has no fixes to the Active valve system (what are they, any clue?), no they don't all break, no there is no basis to claim better patterns out of a .742 barrel vs. anything else. All hogwash, without any basis. If stuff like this had any basis in reality, Maxus and SX3 shotguns would be off the market and would have been long ago. Factory Invector + chokes have consistently produced among the lowest pattern percentages of any OEM choke tubes on the market. There is no greatness there. This is just bad information.

After 85 pages in the "Remington Lovers Forum" on the V3, just how far off topic can it be?

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I've fired countless new synthetic V3's, cases of them right off the UPS truck, along with dozens of other shooters: young, old, male, female. I have yet to experience any blowback nor has anyone that I know personally. If I do, I'll report it along with the specific model of V3 and the shell or shells that were used. I can't report something that I've not experienced yet in the last couple of years.

You can't prove a negative, of course, but that's what the lifetime warranty is for.
 
My one and only V3 had the blowback problem. To Remington's credit they promptly replaced the barrel. The next barrel did not blow back, but it shot a whole pattern to the right at 45 yards. I verified it both offhand and on a bench. I'm now back to Browning.
 
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I found a used 26" synthetic V3 last week at my LGS - traded for it Friday .

I hope it lives up to Randy's reviews !!!

I'm sure it will , Randy does a good job on his reviews and I Appreciate having him on this forum .
 
RandyWakeman said:
moosehead1 said:
True there will be some that hide behind the anonymous curtain to start something but I haven't see it very often and I like to hear the good and bad..
That's what "fake news" is. It doesn't so much as get to the point of dismissing: gossip is gossip, hearsay is hearsay, and unverifiable information is just that: it is non-information, non-researchable, and unreliable. You cannot get sworn in anonymously, you don't have an anonymous driver's license, an anonymous credit card, you can't get an anonymous plane ticket. A third-grader cannot take a test anonymously, or hand in a report anonymously.

Considering the good and bad is of course reasonable, but anonymous good and anonymous bad are both equally unreliable. Old wive's tales aren't only from old wives. Most everyone is familiar with Chinese Whispers by now, as well as urban legends. It is not what the content is that is important: the point is merely that it is not verifiable and therefore not reliable.

Whether the comments are all positive, all negative, or a bit of both is immaterial. Whether they are verifiable and therefore reliable sources of information is the whole point. Who doesn't want reliable information?

The Drake said:
The SX3/Maxus is a poor gas design and it is widely known to break. Mine in my Maxus broke after 2 years. Bought the SX3 as there are fixes for this design flaw.

Yep patterned the V3 the day I got it. Good patterning gun but no where near the GREAT choke system of the Browning and Win with their overbored .742 barrel.

Yep, buddies Xtrema2 has been a pile. Is what it is, and the customer service was the worst you could imagine 5 months for parts.
The Drake said:
Mon Jun 06, 2016
Rem has done a horrific job or marketing this gun and rolling it out.
The Drake said:
Mon Jul 18, 2016
Remington Management should all be fired !!!!!
They make this great gun and their roll out of it is non existent !!!
The Drake said:
Sun Jul 24, 2016
..........Remington just flat out sucks at marketing !!!!
This is the type of stuff you might expect from ill-mannered grade-schoolers. Yelling "suck" all the time isn't informational, either.

This is not just fake news, it is just plain wrong. The SX3 has no fixes to the Active valve system (what are they, any clue?), no they don't all break, no there is no basis to claim better patterns out of a .742 barrel vs. anything else. All hogwash, without any basis. If stuff like this had any basis in reality, Maxus and SX3 shotguns would be off the market and would have been long ago. Factory Invector + chokes have consistently produced among the lowest pattern percentages of any OEM choke tubes on the market. There is no greatness there. This is just bad information.

After 85 pages in the "Remington Lovers Forum" on the V3, just how far off topic can it be?

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I've fired countless new synthetic V3's, cases of them right off the UPS truck, along with dozens of other shooters: young, old, male, female. I have yet to experience any blowback nor has anyone that I know personally. If I do, I'll report it along with the specific model of V3 and the shell or shells that were used. I can't report something that I've not experienced yet in the last couple of years.

You can't prove a negative, of course, but that's what the lifetime warranty is for.
Of course, it doesn't have to be verifiable or even true, just as long as YOU said it?

Hypocracy on parade.
 
I have patterned dozens of guns. The Invector+ system is far superior to Benelli, Beretta, Rem Chokes, Pro Bores, etc....Theres my proof.

The fix for the Active Valve is sealing it off. Anyone that knows anything about shotguns knows the maker of Sure Cycles fixed this issue years and years ago.

The height issue is what Remington customer service told me. I gave you the guys name and number that told me. You chose not to call him. Think a little bit for once. A taller person grips farther out of the forearm, therefore not squeezing the forearm where it meets the receiver. Again this is where the blowback comes from. Put the tape or a gasket in your forearm and problem fixed.

Shame an American made company came out with another gun with an issue...... CTi105 ring a bell ?
 
naildriver said:
I found a used 26" synthetic V3 last week at my LGS - traded for it Friday .

I hope it lives up to Randy's reviews !!!

I'm sure it will , Randy does a good job on his reviews and I Appreciate having him on this forum .
The V3 is the best autoloading shotgun that Remington has ever made. Regardless of who makes it, when a gun is real problem, it gets mentioned. That was exactly the case with the Remington 105 Cti auto and the Remington 887 NitroMag pump. The 887 was my "Clunker of the Year" for 2009: "The "new for 2009" Remington NitroMag 887, is the worst shotgun I've tested in a decade. There are no runners-up, as the Remington 887 attempt is in a class of its own." Apparently the 105 Cti and the 887 lived up to my reviews, for those two models are history. :shock:

Street price for all models of the V3 is less than $700: https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/adv ... mington+v3 . In 2017 for a made in the USA autoloader, that is quite an attractive price level.

Not much made by man is perfect, like nothing. If .005 of V3's need service, that sounds like trivia. But, that's still 500 out of the last 100,000 shotguns, and that is more than enough to populate Al Gore's internet for the fun of all.

As far as personal notes, I (personally) have no use for optics on smoothbores and I don't care for drilled and tapped receivers. Some want them, though so that's yet another compromise to try to please as many people as possible.

The 26 inch V3 is better handling than the 28 inch and if it was up to me, they would have a 24 inch barrel available. Of course I'd like to see higher grades available, but we can all expect the cost to go up in concert with the level of finish.

If you shoot a conventional gas auto enough, eventually you'll have clogged ports and, eventually, you'll have a mainspring tube full of crud and rust. Mainsprings and buffers are sometimes called "sacrificial parts." We don't like the idea of "sacrificial parts," but all guns need maintenance, eventually. Many get maintenance only when they stop working.

I've spent too much time cleaning "self-cleaning" actions. Finally, the V3 really is. Of course the magazine tube gets wiped off after shooting, the bore gets cleaned, and the bolt gets a drop or two of Breakfree CLP. The gas system itself can be ignored for the most part.

All the V3 needs is more models and, hopefully, redesigned as a 20 gauge.
 
Wonder how long the plastic parts in the V3 will last?

The lifetime warranty is a good move but I would consider owning two (2) of the synthetic V3's so if one goes down during the season, you won't be dead in the water.

However, with the Benelli Super 90 and two Beretta 390's in the battery, the need or even want of another 3" chambered field shotgun isn't really warranted. I did pick up one of the 26" wood versions and gave it a fair shot but the RH palm swell is no bueno for a lefty. The gentleman that purchased it from me is hopefully very satisfied with the V3.

If you have any interest in one, would recommend getting it now as the price appears to be soft and may even get a bit softer (near term) in this lackluster field shotgun market.
 
I finally picked up a V3 for myself. The Dove Days rebate was the final motivation I needed to have a local dealer order a black synthetic model with 26 inch barrel for me. I paid $518 after the rebate, which I feel is a very good deal. I shot it on my local clays range on Saturday, and so far I am very impressed. I found the recoil impulse was extremely soft while shooting 1 1/8 ounce Remington Gun Club loads. I experienced no malfunctions or powder blowback. This gun seems to fit me well and I broke a higher average than with my usual 11/87 Premier. The only odd thing I have to report is that the bore was visibly fouled /dirty new out of the box. That I assume was from proofing and test firing, as I saw no other handling or usage marks on the gun. I really crushed the clays with the V3, and I may take it fall turkey hunting soon as well. I have been reading up on the ARGO gas systems, as it is also in use in the M1014 Joint Service Combat Shotgun of the US Armed Forces. Randy, thank for your articles and observations on this model of the past several years. I found them very informative. Please ask the team in Ilion to bring out a scaled 20 gauge version soon!
 
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