I have been having a heck of a time with right hand birds on station 5. I’m a right handed shooter. Last night I shot a 21. I started on 5 and missed 3 targets there. All right handed targets. Only missed one other target the rest of the way and that was a right on 4. I literally haven’t hit a hard right on 5 since June. Lol no joke. It’s totally got me in the head. I’ve held off the house, I’ve turned more to the right to try to cheat and I just can’t hit em. Every other target I absolutely destroy. I’m shooting a browning 725 trap 32” barrels. Previously was shooting with a Cirori CX and I couldn’t hit em with that either. Other than a shrink what can I do to end this curse?
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I am old and slow. On a hard right from 5 I can’t get ahead of it on a sustained lead. I set up cheating for a hard right. If/when one comes it’s pure swing through. Start behind, swing fast, fire as the barrel goes past, keep swinging. The positioning doesn’t seem to hurt on the other presentations. The biggest issue is in my head. Anticipating the hard right sometimes cause lack of concentration when anything else appears.
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I'm an old Senior Vet, but not slow and use sustained leads. Can also pass through lead, but tend to follow a habit subconsciously. Both work perfectly, one seems to fit those that follow the targets angle, the other fit those that start lower on the house, hold wide on post 1 and 5 and move more vertically to trigger. Sporting shooters tend to pass through, trap shooters tend to sustain lead.
Anticipating is result of a lack of confidence of all angles. Confidence promotes that smooth controlled move we all know the feeling of. Also results in better centering every target. So...... extra practice on challenging angles or heights.
Joe you would be welcome on my team anytime.
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Anticipating is result of a lack of confidence of all angles. Confidence promotes that smooth controlled move we all know the feeling of. Also results in better centering every target. So...... extra practice on challenging angles or heights.
Joe you would be welcome on my team anytime.
Maltz
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Question: How does one do sustained lead on a target where you don't know where it is going? On skeet, I can easily do sustained lead as I know the target's flight and my hold point is determined to the point where I can quickly acquire the correct sustained lead. If I 100% knew a hard right was coming on pad 5, I could set my hold point for it off to the right of the trap house and sustain the lead to the break point. But, having to set my hold point for the possibility of a straight away or slightly angled target, my hold has to be 3/4 the way across the top of the house. As such, most sharply angled trap shots for me are swing-thru as the target always will beat my shotgun.
I’m also a senior vet still AA-27 but don’t compete as much as I used to. Each must find a method or combination of methods that work for them personally. I shoot swing through almost exclusively except straight aways. If I try sustained lead I tend to ride the rock too long. I’m my opinion one must use a combination of techniques to be successful at trap. Windy days are different than calm days. Cold days are different than hot days. Sometimes one is lucky and gets the perfect day and perfect technique.
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Watch shooters deliver shot to the target. Watch their move from start to trigger. I you see a shooter quickly move to the target and slightly hesitate firing at the target. That shooter is trying to place the shot with sustained lead. If observed the shooter move to the target without hesitation trigger and follow, that shooter is passing through and placing shot with timing. Which is better......both. Whatever trips your trigger. How ever you trained yourself to break targets is right. Learning the other way may or may not be significant.
But......If your not meeting expectations it is likely you will try other techniques to see if they would be better.
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But......If your not meeting expectations it is likely you will try other techniques to see if they would be better.
Maltz
I had a old-timer help me with hard rights from 5 , he said it like this !
The pattern is like 30" at 40 yds and you'll be shooting the target at about 44 yds so , we're talking 36" pattern .
Which is 18" from center , right ? Your shot-string is about 4 to 8 feet long at 16 to 44 yds , why would you try to
center a target with a 36" pattern , when all you have to do is , shoot in front of it ?
The pattern is like 30" at 40 yds and you'll be shooting the target at about 44 yds so , we're talking 36" pattern .
Which is 18" from center , right ? Your shot-string is about 4 to 8 feet long at 16 to 44 yds , why would you try to
center a target with a 36" pattern , when all you have to do is , shoot in front of it ?
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The old-timer forgot to say, shoot in front far enough. Most hard rights from post 5, lefts from post 1 are lost by the pattern delivered behind the target. A short fall in lead or speed or follow through or all at the same time. Then again, an off-eye take over looks much the same to any observer. Fixing shooting short can be complicated.
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I'm a lefty so I had the same trouble with post 1. I worried myself to death about getting a hard left hander. I resigned myself to the fact that I just couldn't break any screaming lefties.
Then...I told myself bull$hit! I turned my foot position a bit more to the left, opened my stance just a bit, set my gun hold even with the trap house roof and about 18" from the corner of the house. I reminded myself to stay in the gun and follow through after the shot.
Those hard left handers are now my favorite target. All of the advice that Jeff gave you is spot on. It sounds like you are pushing your gun off of your face.
Then...I told myself bull$hit! I turned my foot position a bit more to the left, opened my stance just a bit, set my gun hold even with the trap house roof and about 18" from the corner of the house. I reminded myself to stay in the gun and follow through after the shot.
Those hard left handers are now my favorite target. All of the advice that Jeff gave you is spot on. It sounds like you are pushing your gun off of your face.
When I get a hard right or hard left, I just tell myself to slow down. They aren't getting away any faster than a straightaway. In actuality, they are moving away from you even less quickly.
Works for me.
(I also remind myself to keep the gun moving.....)
Works for me.
(I also remind myself to keep the gun moving.....)
Excellent advice!
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I also agree with this. A good hold point and slow swing with a hard focus on the target should work all the time.
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You obviously know how to shoot. I’ll suspect your left eye is trying to place the muzzle for you, rather than your right eye. Take ten shells to station 5 and shoot singles with your left eye closed or, if you can’t stand to close it, squint it down after you pick up the target.
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I am a skeet shooter who shoots some trap. I have always liked the hard right from station 5. I think I see it better than a straight away. Compared to a high 2 it does not feel like a lot of swing.
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