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goutboye

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Ok, I have a weird question. I just purchased a browning sporting clays 2 3/4” only. I think it’s the hunter series not the maxus series. It’s a pretty gun silver with gold etching. Anyway, I also have three different Winchesters, sx2,3 and 3 I think. I haven’t shot them in a while. I have been told that they are basically the same gun. My special ordered Winchester Flannagan came from the browning plant in Utah. Anyway, the browning I shoot runs for about 100 rounds shooting Winchester (Walmart specials) it then starts jamming until I clean it. If I shoot federal shells it runs for about 200 rounds before I clean it. Long winded bput here’s the question…. All of the winchesters I stated above and even my Beretta XCel 400 last a full season without jamming shooting trap and sporting clays Without cleaning and without jamming. Approximately 1000 plus round per season. I shoot the same ammo (cheap Walmart) in all the guns? Did Winchester or federal change something in their loads recently? I’m now in the process of shooting my Beretta xcel again and so far no jams or failure to feed for 400 rounds without cleaning. Next I’m going to go back to one of my Winchesters and see if they have any issues. Again, just a weird question and I still love my browning I just have to clean it more often and wondering why.
thanks for your patience reading my long winded question!!!
 
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Actually new old stock. Had never been fired. Very very light rem oil if any at all. A lot of times I just wipe down with oily rag. As you said I used to prefer Winchester over federal. Not because of jamming but because I thought Winchester pattered better in my shotgun! (In my head only, patterns were really about equal). A couple of my buddies swear by federal in their guns and truthfully side by side federals are about doubling my shooting time to cleaning time for my browning (100 shots to 200 shots). Again I just can’t figure out why the drastic change in cleaning compared to my other shotguns. To be fair though, the carbon does build up a lot more on the browning so it might be the piston? I was thinking about switching pistons from the Winchester to the browning to see if any difference but I have to compare pistons before I do that, but in theory they should be identical.
 
REM oil is the worst thing you can put on the inside of any semi. It has Teflon in it. Use clp. Put some on the mag tube and rub it up and down on the tube. Shouldn’t be dripping off but you should be able to see it. The piston or tube should not be causing it to get that dirty after 200 rounds.
 
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Found on Amazon and will try it just to see if it works! Can’t hurt and I’m always willing to experiment.
do you recommend the bottle or the pump spray. Once you let me know I will “buy and try”!
 
I actually have both. I like the bottle best. Just make sure it’s real clp. The military stuff. It’s is tried and true. I have used that stuff in every condition known to man in the military. From rain to sand. It works. When you coat the tube put the piston on a slide it up and down couple times and you should be good to go. The other benefit of clp( cleaner lubricant and protective) is it makes fouling clean off easier. Real clp is expensive but it will last a long time.
 
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Well I have cleaned my gun twice and I think it is the shells I shoot….. not the shotgun. ( I am going to stay with your suggestion and keep using CLP) I now have 4 different shotguns that will not cycle the Winchester shells (Walmart 100 pack.) Beretta xl400, Browning, Winchester (2)). Something has changed with Winchester but I don’t know what since all my favorite guns will not cycle?Just shot a round of 50 trap yesterday With the Browning. First round 25 Winchester 20 jams out of 25 shots. Second round (federals) 1 jam out of 25 shots. Anyway just a heads up. Thanks for all of your suggestion’s. I learn something new every time I post questions.
 
You don’t give any details on the “jamming”. If the shells aren’t ejecting cleanly, the cause maybe insufficient bolt velocity to simpler the travel cycle. The cure may well be a shell with a higher firing pressure, or, the cause might be the case head of the shell is swelling during firing and gripping the chamber walls and sucking to much energy pulling the case head out, interrupting the bolt cycle. That said, quite often the most effective way to improve functioning regardless of the cause is to throw away the Winchester WalMart shells. If the gun is jamming as the bolt is closing, a failure to feed, Winchester’s cheap hulls tend to have soft plastic and, if encountering any edge, they may dig in and hang up where a stiffer plastic will deflect into the chamber. In a previous life, I had a semi that would work just fine with one particular shell until the temperature dropped below 40 degrees. If I kept shells in my pocket where they could warm a bit, cycling was restored. That she’ll company now uses a different powder. I had a Browning Gold that didn’t like any target load with high brass. The extra metal in the head gripped too tightly in the chamber. That said, when the 391’s came out, immediately switched for the more reliable cycling of the Beretta. That was 27 years ago and isn’t to be construed as indicating there has been no change in the newer models. I haven’t shot them. It is a strong suggestion that often changing shells is the quickest, simplest and most effective way to significantly improve reliability in a semi auto shotgun.
 
REM oil is the worst thing you can put on the inside of any semi. It has Teflon in it. Use clp. Put some on the mag tube and rub it up and down on the tube. Shouldn’t be dripping off but you should be able to see it. The piston or tube should not be causing it to get that dirty after 200 rounds.
It ain’t the Rem Oil. I’ve used it on all my autoloaders for years with no problem. My Super X2 Sporting has cycled literally thousands of rounds without a hitch.
 
It ain’t the Rem Oil. I’ve used it on all my autoloaders for years with no problem. My Super X2 Sporting has cycled literally thousands of rounds without a hitch.
Maybe you’re just special. The military has been using it forever, maybe they are wrong too. If you ever visit the Belgium factory you will not see rem-oil on any bench.
 
30 weight motor oil and CLP is what I was told by the guide, when I asked the question.
If you see what's in Rem-oil you will notice that it has Teflon in it. When it gets hot it gets sticky. When I was in the military, we shot a lot and the only thing that would keep the 7.62's running as fast as we could shoot them was CLP. If it can do all that, I won't use anything else, but then again everything I have cycles great from Auto 5, Gold, Silver, and Maxus even the Tristar likes it.
 
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Sorry Dave I’ve been out of touch for a while but to describe the jamming is that the hulls do not come out of the chamber. I have to take a knife blade and pry them out or a ramrod down the barrel and “pound “ them out. They are just really stuck in all the barrels.
 
Stick w the Federals. The Winchester Universal pack shells are junk. Now the Winchester Super Targets are a much better option.
NO ! No They are the same shell . This has been discussed hundreds of times.

See email response from them when I ask .
 
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