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My 1 ounce loads I believe are 1175 using 17.5 rains of 700X , have to look it up , seems plenty fast for small shot to me. I am not expert but learning , a guy can blow a pattern out withtoo much speed I would think.
I read somewhere the factory guys say they get the most consistant patterns with 1 oz 12 ga loads at 1145 fps. Can't remember the source.
 
Don't care what anyone says, 1oz. 1290 is better than 1oz 1180 any day....especially in winter. The clays are harder to break in winter that's when I see dust come off and the clay stays together, don't see that in summer ( don't care what the manufacturer says ). Force = Mass x excelleration, Since going to 1oz 1250 or 1290, I don't see it anymore and I shoot 8's. So it's all me, I hit or I miss......I own the shot. Shoot slow loads, better have more oz-age in them. ;)
 
Not a recoil calculator but a good Force calculator is simply OZ X FPS = Force : .875x1200=1050 - 1x1180=1180 - 1x1200=1200, 1x1250=1250, 1.125x1145=1288, 1x1290=1290, 1.125x1200=1350, 1.125x1250=1406
 
Regardless of what your shooting, alot of folks don't stop to think about where those chips or small broken pieces were coming from on the target. Front, back or low, high side of the target. One can evaluate that one needs, more lead or a higher point of aim for impact on the target. Break point should be sooner or later!

Steve M.
 
Regardless of what your shooting, alot of folks don't stop to think about where those chips or small broken pieces were coming from on the target. Front, back or low, high side of the target. One can evaluate that one needs, more lead or a higher point of aim for impact on the target. Break point should be sooner or later!

Steve M.
If a clay is a spinning target, did the chip one sees coming off the back/trailing edge actually originate there, or was the crack formed from pellets to the leading edge which then broke off at the trailing position due to centrifugal force??

And due to uneven distribution of pellets in the pattern, can one even say if they shot high or low, or did the top/bottom half of the clay happen to find a partial gap in the pattern?
 
1 ounce loads for clay targets at 1290 fps makes no sense to me. I shoot 1 ounce loads for less recoil. 1 ounce offer no other advantage. 1200 fps is more than adequate for targets. 1150 fps is plenty good. 1290 fps just ups the recoil to no advantage.

I understand that 1290 fps was once standard for 1 ounce field loads. But I use 1 ounce for targets, not for field loads.
Payload
Velocity
Recoil
1 1/8​
1150​
18.8​
1​
1150​
15.5​
1​
1200​
16.7​
1
1290
19.0



It sounds to me that you shot the Remington 1oz load at 1290fps. Somehow Remington mastered putting a lot of recoil into what is otherwise a soft shooting shell. If you reload and use Win AA's, there is a recipe for 1 oz @ 1300fps with Claybuster wad, Win primer, and it recoils much less than 1 1/8 oz @ 1200fps. The alternate load of course is 1 1/8 oz @1145fps with same components, just a lighter powder charge than the 1.125 @ 1200fps. Both shoot very soft, but Remington has managed to a ruin a perfectly good 1 oz @ 1290 by using components that jack up recoil way too much. And they still make that load. Go figure. They should be giving the shooter what the shooter wants. There are 1 1/8 oz loads at 1200fps that kick less than that Rem 1 oz @ 1290.
 
Wow, I am impressed that you can't feel the difference, you must have a shoulder made of steel. In an 7 lb. shotgun the 1 oz. loads would give 13.1 lbs of recoil and the 1.25 oz. loads would give 23.6 lbs of recoil.

Or were you saying, that amount of recoil doesn't bother you?

I can tell you this, there is no way I'd want to shoot a 100 clay event using 1.25 oz. loads at 1,250 FPS.
Trap shooters went to an ounce and 1/8 down from an ounce and 1/4 and the scores went up because the recoil went down. Next they tried one ounce loads and the scores dropped a little from 1 and 1/8oz. It seems in American Trap, an ounce and an eighth is the sweet spot, at least from the 27 yard line. If someone is not conditioned to recoil, then an ounce might be a better place to start.
 
Quite often shot size is more important than the starting speed of the shot for down range speed and energy.

From KPY Shotshell Ballistics

1300 fps lead #8 shot has .62 LBS. of energy and is going 515 fps at 50 yards.
1200 fps lead #7-1/2 shot has .73 LBS. of energy and is going 514 fps at 50 yards.

The slower starting #7-1/2 shot pellets have 17.74% more energy per pellet at 50 yards than the faster starting lead #8 shot.
What about 1300fps lead 7.5 shot? How is it doing at 50 yds?
 
How do you do on clay targets past 30 yds with that 3/4 oz 20 ga load? Or do you shoot skeet only with them?
I don't shoot skeet, I use the 3/4 ounce loads for pasture clay targets, if I use a 20 at the club for SC, I shoot 7/8 ounce reloads.


cdb
 
I can feel the decrease in recoil with the Gordon system in the B&P ammo shooting it back to back against other ammo of the same payload and velocity. Some people claim they don’t feel the difference. Buy some and try it.
 
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