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The bad part for the rest of us is that an entire class of guns is being destroyed by a bunch of overgrown children that want to play cowboys and Indians.
On most other gun forums they'd be mocking this as a FUDD thread😁

But I think your being a bit hard on the SASS competitors. Same could be said for all shooting comps.

If firearms aren't a tool for your job, or for the very few that actually depend on them to put food on the table, we are all just "playing" at what ever gun game endeavor we engage in.
 
The smoothbore Ithaca Deerslayer with 18.5" or 20" barrel is cost effective alternative to those with long magazine tubes. Another alternative is long mag tubed BPS made for Gander Mountain or surplus Police B.C. Miroku pumps like those used by French police. Simpson Ltd sold one recently for $325 or $350.
 
Fudd... like Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt? That's the name of the marketing strategy used to sell based on instilling fear in the consumer.

Fudd as in Elmer... some sort of 'derogatory' term gun fetishists use for people who shoot their shotguns at flying targets and/or for hunting. The kind of people that win the olymics and bring home dinner and don't play combat dress-up?

The great thing about Cowboy Action and Wild Bunch: Everyone knows it's pretend. There is a wonderful aspect of learning the real history of American cowboys or gangsters, which is miles removed from the movies, radio plays, or penny dreadfuls.
 
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The smoothbore Ithaca Deerslayer with 18.5" or 20" barrel is cost effective alternative to those with long magazine tubes. Another alternative is long mag tubed BPS made for Gander Mountain or surplus Police B.C. Miroku pumps like those used by French police. Simpson Ltd sold one recently for $325 or $350.
Except for deer hunting, explain to me how a 28" Ithaca Ultralight is in any way inferior. Under $200 even now if you shop right.

A couple weeks ago I took mine to Pump Gun Night and shot sporting clays. I lost a few points but not because of the shotgun.
 
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Fudd as in Elmer... some sort of 'derogatory' term gun fetishists use for people who shoot their shotguns at flying targets and/or for hunting. The kind of people that win the olymics and bring home dinner and don't play combat dress-up?
That's awesome! Can I use that on one of the more "defense-centric" forums I'm on?

Even though I own a black rifle and have had formal training in it's use thanks to uncle sam, and shoot in action pistol comps. My main sport is hunting, and I love shooting clays, so I still get called a fudd once and awhile. 😁
 
A Fudd isn't someone who only shoots clays or hunts. A Fudd is someone who only shoots clays or hunts, thinks that there is no other use for guns, and will only support gun rights to that extent. He's got his bolt action durr rifle and a model 12 to suit his needs, therefore that's all anyone should own. His nemesis is the tacticool operator who thinks any gun with a barrel longer than 18" is useless, dreams of downing hordes of zombies, and thinks EVERYONE should have a suppressed AR because reasons. Then there's the normal gun owner who laughs at both of them. :LOL:

As far as the topic of the thread, it is what it is. I don't care to see an old field gun get cut down either, but with the millions of them out there, who cares? Polychokes and Cutts were all the rage at one point which IMO ruined plenty of guns. Just buy one without it and let people have their fun.
 
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I know you used a smile face but FUDD thread is a little strong. FUDD also means those firearm owners that oppose the ownership of militay style rifles, defence and or attack firearms. I took the thread as just getting forum members opinions on this issue of how popular these have become and my favorite - the verbiage used to sell and promote. As I said before these hackers world starve waiting for my purchase but I am definitily no FUDD. ;)
 
A Fudd is an old, as silly as that sounds, message board term designed to be a negative yet most folks gladly adopt the term if given.....kinda weakening the slight slur.
The term is not specific to very much beyond failing to see value where changing times leads a lot of folks re firearms.

Not quite but near the opposite of the fellas who wear sunglasses in the shade, scowl when shooting and play up the need for defense beyond where commonsense directs.
Not so oddly, many fine folks can fit both categories.

The cowboy dress-up folks are really no different than the Vintagers dressing-up and picking a SxS from the Edwardian days .....the main difference, to me, is the Vintagers do not often chop an older firearm.
That...does take imagining a very specific need to alter a fine old gun but, I'm not so sure altering is not on the same level as collectors who locate and lock up all they can.....hoarders, of a sort.
 
A Fudd isn't someone who only shoots clays or hunts. A Fudd is someone who only shoots clays or hunts, thinks that there is no other use for guns, and will only support gun rights to that extent. He's got his bolt action durr rifle and a model 12 to suit his needs, therefore that's all anyone should own. His nemesis is the tacticool operator who thinks any gun with a barrel longer than 18" is useless, dreams of downing hordes of zombies, and thinks EVERYONE should have a suppressed AR because reasons. Then there's the normal gun owner who laughs at both of them. :LOL:

As far as the topic of the thread, it is what it is. I don't care to see an old field gun get cut down either, but with the millions of them out there, who cares? Polychokes and Cutts were all the rage at one point which IMO ruined plenty of guns. Just buy one without it and let people have their fun.
Until you have shot and patterned a Polychoke gun, withhold your predjudice.

I bought a polychoked Ithaca Model 37 16 gauge with the intent of having chokes installed. I am glad I took it to the range and patterned it first! It's AMAZING.

The only problem with my polychoke is the markings on the cylinder.
Open is open
IC is Mod
Mod is Full
Full is the tightest craziest fist-sized hole I have ever seen in any shotgun!
ExtraFull is Mod... proving that too much choke opens the pattern back up.

How does it swing? Great. I thought the weight on the end would screw things up, but a slightly shorter barrel (26") worked that out. For a long receiver, the effective barrel swing is like a 28" over and under.

How does it look? Okay, it's ugly. But I got over that real quick. Polychokes really work.

People say "they don't group well" but... never define what they mean by that. Just adjust the twist until you get your pattern percentage and remember the marking on the barrel.

I really need to do a detailed photo shoot and write-up on my polychoke, showing the patterns as it tightens from Open thorugh each half-half-step. It's amazing.

If anyone wants to trade their Polychoke 12 gauge Ithaca Model 37 straight up for mine which is tapped for chokes.. give me a shout.
 
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I know you used a smile face but FUDD thread is a little strong. FUDD also means those firearm owners that oppose the ownership of militay style rifles, defence and or attack firearms. I took the thread as just getting forum members opinions on this issue of how popular these have become and my favorite - the verbiage used to sell and promote. As I said before these hackers world starve waiting for my purchase but I am definitily no FUDD. ;)
I'm not calling it a fudd thread, just saying on some forums, some would. I agree it's a misused/overused word.

Heck, on some mainstream gun sites I visit if you don't support crew served weapons in every yard, or own firearms strictly for tactical reason or protection against tyranny, you're labeled a fudd by some. Which I find both silly and amusing.
 
I love it when once these guys cut the barrel down, they bemoan the difficulty in finding a door breaching muzzle brake to attach to it. Like they might have to shoot the lock off the bathroom door if someone accidentally locks themselves in.
 
Except for deer hunting, explain to me how a 28" Ithaca Ultralight is in any way inferior. Under $200 even now if you shop right.

A couple weeks ago I took mine to Pump Gun Night and shot sporting clays. I lost a few points but not because of the shotgun.
My Ithaca 37 with it’s 20” Deerslayer barrel is certainly a more capable HD gun than with the 28” bird barrel, particularly within the confines of my home.
 
Fudd... like Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt? That's the name of the marketing strategy used to sell based on instilling fear in the consumer.

Fudd as in Elmer... some sort of 'derogatory' term gun fetishists use for people who shoot their shotguns at flying targets and/or for hunting. The kind of people that win the olymics and bring home dinner and don't play combat dress-up?

The great thing about Cowboy Action and Wild Bunch: Everyone knows it's pretend. There is a wonderful aspect of learning the real history of American cowboys or gangsters, which is miles removed from the movies, radio plays, or penny dreadfuls.
Owning old guns, hunting and shooting birds doesn’t make you a Fudd, in two weeks I’ll carry a 77 year old Model 12 to shoot birds for the first time over my first bird dog and then a couple weeks later I’ll be deer hunting with both a space age looking 18” 6.5 PRC with a suppressor in a folding carbon fiber chassis and an 1873 Winchester in .45 Colt in the same day. I also shoot my Garand in the local WW2 match, my 73, vaqueros and Model 12 in the Cowboy matches, my 1874 Sharps in the Buffalo matches, my AR in the practical rifle matches and my carry guns in the various pistol shoots.

I use the term Fudd to describe the guy who says things like “you don’t need 30 rounds to kill a doe” or “I support the second amendment but nobody needs that kind of firepower”. It’s typically reserved for the people that would sell every other type of gun owner down the river without the foresight to consider that doing so just brings the wolves closer and closer to their door.

And it isn’t far from the truth, Australia used that same firepower logic to ban semi and pump shotguns back in 1996. Now Western Australia went after a number of big game cartridges because they can shoot through bullet proof vests, which is something all deer rifles are capable of. When’s the last time you heard of somebody committing a crime or murder with a .28 Nosler, .338 Edge or .375 A-Square? I can’t say that I ever have but considering there were only 284 of the now banned rifles in the province and they know who owns them I’d say it was more of an excuse to go after otherwise law abiding citizens rather than actually stop criminals.

And that’s not to mention that for all intents and purposes the capability of the average deer rifle and a military sniper rifle are more than close enough for anti gun people to push for a ban on them too. After all just look at history, a guy in Alaska killed 9 people with a single shot Ruger No. 1 in 30-06, Charles Whitman killed 15 and shot 31 more with a Remington 700 in 6mm Rem and MLK was killed with a Remington 760 in 30-06. Right there is two mass shootings and one of the most prolific assassinations in history all committed with run of the mill deer guns.

We as gun owners need to stick together as they fully intend to divide and conquer so losing one group of gun owners just makes us weaker overtime until the next one falls.
 
Yup, CMP nailed the required feature of being a Fudd is their willingness to ban and throw to the wolves the kind of guns they don’t use. Most of the time the victims are modern sporting guns like the AR15 being at the top of the hit list. That one hunts or target shoots is irrelevant towards Fudd status. Maybe we need to change the name “Fudd“ over to “Zumbo“ for better clarity but I’m not sure how many remember that name.
 
My Ithaca 37 with it’s 20” Deerslayer barrel is certainly a more capable HD gun than with the 28” bird barrel, particularly within the confines of my home.
How many things have you shot inside the confines of your home?

28" works fine in my house. Every single zombie, Proud Boy and White Nationalist was eliminated.
 
Yup, CMP nailed the required feature of being a Fudd is their willingness to ban and throw to the wolves the kind of guns they don’t use. Most of the time the victims are modern sporting guns like the AR15 being at the top of the hit list. That one hunts or target shoots is irrelevant towards Fudd status. Maybe we need to change the name “Fudd“ over to “Zumbo“ for better clarity but I’m not sure how many remember that name.
I recall Zumbo.....poor fella, a well-established good, older, dues-paid guy in the outdoors/hunting who gave an honest opinion that did not fit the times and so, he paid the ultimate price....until he licked the right boots.
Sad to see....power used, just because.

People, some people, did learn to never risk being Zumbo-ed.
Others, not so much.
 
How many things have you shot inside the confines of your home?

28" works fine in my house. Every single zombie, Proud Boy and White Nationalist was eliminated.
Why I took out several antifa during the riots and just last week knocked off a couple of home invaders. The 20” worked great in the hallway.
 
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