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I've fully committed to the .410 lifestyle so decided to cook up some 2.5" TSS loads for hunting.

First off is a load for dove, not every day but late in the season when shots are longer or south Texas whitewings. Also jump shooting teal early season. I have tons of AA hulls so started there. All are fold crimp.

AA HS
W209
H110
CB5050 wad + mylar wrap
1/4" felt
1/2" fiber
150gr TSS #11 (263 pellets)

Tested two powder charges
20.4 gr = 1,633 fps / 8,852 psi
21.4 gr = 1,681 fps / 8,875 psi

Had some A-410 powder on hand so tested two charges in shells otherwise identical to above
15.7 gr = 1,453 fps / 6,798 psi
17.4 gr = 1,629 fps / 8,748 psi (added a 3/64" osc punched from some gasket material to this load)

Gonna test a box of 21.4 gr H110 loads this weekend on some long distance clays.

Next is a pheasant/duck load with 9/16 oz TSS #9

AA HS
W209
15.7 gr H110
CB5050 + mylar
1/2" fiber
246 gr TSS #9 (203 pellets)
OSC (hole punched a primer box)
1,253 fps / 10,588 psi

I scrounged up some new Cheddite hulls too

Cheddite
Cheddite
13 gr A-410
CB5050 + mylar
1/2" fiber
246 gr TSS #9
OSC 1/32" (hole punched some gasket material)
1,239 fps / 11,440 psi

Cheddite
Cheddite
12.1 gr A-410
TPS wad trimmed
1/4" felt
246 gr TSS 9
1,196 fps / 12,107 psi

The TPS wad creates a lot more pressure, one shell hit 13,500 and two were ~12,750. The load data I got with the shot used lead wads with no mylar, fingers crossed the CB + mylar performs. Trulock says TSS is no problem with their chokes so we'll see. I'm trying to figure how to take the hassle and variability out of trimming the TPS wads. Hopefully it's only a matter of time before someone starts selling TPS type wads for 2.5" shells. As always, use at your own risk.
 
I load TPS wads for all my 410 steel and tungsten based shot loads. Mylar will not do the job in a standard wad. I even use mylar with the TPS wad for original Hevi Shot. Those little satellite tags on that shot rub through. I use a Harbor Freight mini chop saw to trim the 3" wads for use in 2.5" loads.
 
Discussion starter · #6 ·
I load TPS wads for all my 410 steel and tungsten based shot loads. Mylar will not do the job in a standard wad. I even use mylar with the TPS wad for original Hevi Shot. Those little satellite tags on that shot rub through. I use a Harbor Freight mini chop saw to trim the 3" wads for use in 2.5" loads.
Roger that, I'm going to run one box through my gun and inspect for any scoring/damage. The load data from Hal when I ordered the shot uses MG-410 and Stretch wads, only one suggests mylar. But I'm open to different experiences.
 
I've fully committed to the .410 lifestyle so decided to cook up some 2.5" TSS loads for hunting.

First off is a load for dove, not every day but late in the season when shots are longer or south Texas whitewings. Also jump shooting teal early season. I have tons of AA hulls so started there. All are fold crimp.

AA HS
W209
H110
CB5050 wad + mylar wrap
1/4" felt
1/2" fiber
150gr TSS #11 (263 pellets)

Tested two powder charges
20.4 gr = 1,633 fps / 8,852 psi
21.4 gr = 1,681 fps / 8,875 psi

Had some A-410 powder on hand so tested two charges in shells otherwise identical to above
15.7 gr = 1,453 fps / 6,798 psi
17.4 gr = 1,629 fps / 8,748 psi (added a 3/64" osc punched from some gasket material to this load)

Gonna test a box of 21.4 gr H110 loads this weekend on some long distance clays.

Next is a pheasant/duck load with 9/16 oz TSS #9

AA HS
W209
15.7 gr H110
CB5050 + mylar
1/2" fiber
246 gr TSS #9 (203 pellets)
OSC (hole punched a primer box)
1,253 fps / 10,588 psi

I scrounged up some new Cheddite hulls too

Cheddite
Cheddite
13 gr A-410
CB5050 + mylar
1/2" fiber
246 gr TSS #9
OSC 1/32" (hole punched some gasket material)
1,239 fps / 11,440 psi

Cheddite
Cheddite
12.1 gr A-410
TPS wad trimmed
1/4" felt
246 gr TSS 9
1,196 fps / 12,107 psi

The TPS wad creates a lot more pressure, one shell hit 13,500 and two were ~12,750. The load data I got with the shot used lead wads with no mylar, fingers crossed the CB + mylar performs. Trulock says TSS is no problem with their chokes so we'll see. I'm trying to figure how to take the hassle and variability out of trimming the TPS wads. Hopefully it's only a matter of time before someone starts selling TPS type wads for 2.5" shells. As always, use at your own risk.
What would #11 shot be like maybe #6 lead as far as weight
 
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What gun are you shooting it through? Cheap guns ok in my opinion. My nice o/u's only get bismuth down them. Once damaged it can't be undone. If I remember right, Hal was shooting mostly Tristars in 28 and 410.
Stevens 555 for now, but there is a Silver Pigeon in my future. So I'm gonna use the data I gathered to cook up loads with TPS wads.
 
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I've fully committed to the .410 lifestyle so decided to cook up some 2.5" TSS loads for hunting.

First off is a load for dove, not every day but late in the season when shots are longer or south Texas whitewings. Also jump shooting teal early season. I have tons of AA hulls so started there. All are fold crimp.

AA HS
W209
H110
CB5050 wad + mylar wrap
1/4" felt
1/2" fiber
150gr TSS #11 (263 pellets)

Tested two powder charges
20.4 gr = 1,633 fps / 8,852 psi
21.4 gr = 1,681 fps / 8,875 psi

Had some A-410 powder on hand so tested two charges in shells otherwise identical to above
15.7 gr = 1,453 fps / 6,798 psi
17.4 gr = 1,629 fps / 8,748 psi (added a 3/64" osc punched from some gasket material to this load)

Gonna test a box of 21.4 gr H110 loads this weekend on some long distance clays.

Next is a pheasant/duck load with 9/16 oz TSS #9

AA HS
W209
15.7 gr H110
CB5050 + mylar
1/2" fiber
246 gr TSS #9 (203 pellets)
OSC (hole punched a primer box)
1,253 fps / 10,588 psi

I scrounged up some new Cheddite hulls too

Cheddite
Cheddite
13 gr A-410
CB5050 + mylar
1/2" fiber
246 gr TSS #9
OSC 1/32" (hole punched some gasket material)
1,239 fps / 11,440 psi

Cheddite
Cheddite
12.1 gr A-410
TPS wad trimmed
1/4" felt
246 gr TSS 9
1,196 fps / 12,107 psi

The TPS wad creates a lot more pressure, one shell hit 13,500 and two were ~12,750. The load data I got with the shot used lead wads with no mylar, fingers crossed the CB + mylar performs. Trulock says TSS is no problem with their chokes so we'll see. I'm trying to figure how to take the hassle and variability out of trimming the TPS wads. Hopefully it's only a matter of time before someone starts selling TPS type wads for 2.5" shells. As always, use at your own risk.

 
The Stevens ok. My SP1 only sees bismuth or lead. Every article I've read states that no matter how hard you try, there sill eventually be damage to the barrel with tungsten based shot. Besides bismuth is much cheaper and does a good job in the 410.
 
I've fully committed to the .410 lifestyle so decided to cook up some 2.5" TSS loads for hunting.

First off is a load for dove, not every day but late in the season when shots are longer or south Texas whitewings. Also jump shooting teal early season. I have tons of AA hulls so started there. All are fold crimp.

AA HS
W209
H110
CB5050 wad + mylar wrap
1/4" felt
1/2" fiber
150gr TSS #11 (263 pellets)

Tested two powder charges
20.4 gr = 1,633 fps / 8,852 psi
21.4 gr = 1,681 fps / 8,875 psi

Had some A-410 powder on hand so tested two charges in shells otherwise identical to above
15.7 gr = 1,453 fps / 6,798 psi
17.4 gr = 1,629 fps / 8,748 psi (added a 3/64" osc punched from some gasket material to this load)

Gonna test a box of 21.4 gr H110 loads this weekend on some long distance clays.

Next is a pheasant/duck load with 9/16 oz TSS #9

AA HS
W209
15.7 gr H110
CB5050 + mylar
1/2" fiber
246 gr TSS #9 (203 pellets)
OSC (hole punched a primer box)
1,253 fps / 10,588 psi

I scrounged up some new Cheddite hulls too

Cheddite
Cheddite
13 gr A-410
CB5050 + mylar
1/2" fiber
246 gr TSS #9
OSC 1/32" (hole punched some gasket material)
1,239 fps / 11,440 psi

Cheddite
Cheddite
12.1 gr A-410
TPS wad trimmed
1/4" felt
246 gr TSS 9
1,196 fps / 12,107 psi

The TPS wad creates a lot more pressure, one shell hit 13,500 and two were ~12,750. The load data I got with the shot used lead wads with no mylar, fingers crossed the CB + mylar performs. Trulock says TSS is no problem with their chokes so we'll see. I'm trying to figure how to take the hassle and variability out of trimming the TPS wads. Hopefully it's only a matter of time before someone starts selling TPS type wads for 2.5" shells. As always, use at your own risk.
Try stretch 36 wads?
 

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Discussion starter · #15 ·
The Stevens ok. My SP1 only sees bismuth or lead. Every article I've read states that no matter how hard you try, there sill eventually be damage to the barrel with tungsten based shot. Besides bismuth is much cheaper and does a good job in the 410.
After 25 rounds with #11 shot there is some scoring on the choke tubes, so back to the drawing board with TPS wads + mylar.

They absolutely crush clays ~40-45 yards, which is nice.
 
The Stevens ok. My SP1 only sees bismuth or lead. Every article I've read states that no matter how hard you try, there sill eventually be damage to the barrel with tungsten based shot. Besides bismuth is much cheaper and does a good job in the 410.
Cheap guns. I love cheap guns for tungsten. Or at least plan to find a cheap throw away barrel. Its just iron.
 
After 25 rounds with #11 shot there is some scoring on the choke tubes, so back to the drawing board with TPS wads + mylar.

They absolutely crush clays ~40-45 yards, which is nice.
Did you make any progress with the AA hulls? I have loads of AA hulls, and I was excited to see someone testing the waters. I can't seem to get any Cheddite hulls or Alliant 300-MP powder. I am wanting to make up a load for my Henry .410, So I am limited to 2.5" hulls. I am fine trimming down Cheddite 3's, but those seem to also be unobtanium.
 
I tried the TSS shot finally this winter. #10 in the 2.5" hull. The load data I received uses the MG410 wad. I lined it with thin nylar. My proof that a wad is protecting the barrel is what a recovered wad looks like. Im not impressed. Mylar has holes, wad had holes. I will be moving to the TPS wad.
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I've fully committed to the .410 lifestyle so decided to cook up some 2.5" TSS loads for hunting.

First off is a load for dove, not every day but late in the season when shots are longer or south Texas whitewings. Also jump shooting teal early season. I have tons of AA hulls so started there. All are fold crimp.


Tested two powder charges
20.4 gr = 1,633 fps / 8,852 psi
21.4 gr = 1,681 fps / 8,875 psi

Had some A-410 powder on hand so tested two charges in shells otherwise identical to above
15.7 gr = 1,453 fps / 6,798 psi
17.4 gr = 1,629 fps / 8,748 psi (added a 3/64" osc punched from some gasket material to this load)

Next is a pheasant/duck load with 9/16 oz TSS #9

AA HS
W209
15.7 gr H110
CB5050 + mylar
1/2" fiber
246 gr TSS #9 (203 pellets)
OSC (hole punched a primer box)
1,253 fps / 10,588 psi

I scrounged up some new Cheddite hulls too

Cheddite
Cheddite
13 gr A-410
CB5050 + mylar
1/2" fiber
246 gr TSS #9
OSC 1/32" (hole punched some gasket material)
1,239 fps / 11,440 psi

Cheddite
Cheddite
12.1 gr A-410
TPS wad trimmed
1/4" felt
246 gr TSS 9
1,196 fps / 12,107 psi
these are similar to my 2.5” hw15 7’s or 6’s and stretch 36 load data

I’ve compiled your data (thank you) and many others, talked with some of the small ammo shops, and field tested mine. I’ve tried LilGun (12-13grain), h110, and .410 powder. LilGun and h110 throw nice patterns and consistent speeds. My “sweet spot” for the load and simplicity in loading is 219grain of hw15 (tss 18 may be less available and the switch back to hw15 or lighter may make a resurgence) 2.5” hulls fold crimp.

again. Shooting cheap semi autos and o/u’s, I’m not overly concerned with any possible damage by TSS.

For what it’s worth. Tom Armburst has said even with a steel wad/tss wad, he has barrel scoring in is his test barrels. I talked with him over the phone about 1 year ago about load development.
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this is a buddies pattern with 3/8oz load of tss 9’s, 300-Mp powder, stretch 36 wad, and tristar semi auto. Killed North Dakota Ducks with it a few years back.
 
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