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Been shooting 16ga sxs for many years but just this year setup for reloading. So far I've loaded a couple 100 Fiocchis 7/8oz of 7.5s with the DR16 and 18.5gr of Universal. And recently loaded up 100rds of Federal 1oz 7.5s SG16 with 21.5gr of Universal. Loads shoot fine, the 7/8oz load is a little dirty and the recoil of the 1oz is kinda stiff in a 6# game gun.

What's your favorite target/game load recipe? I fortunately have 3# of Universal and 1# of Longshot. But am open to trying more loads. I like loads around 1200fps or less. Thanks
 
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Email Precision Reloading and ask them for their 16 gauge data. Lots of options.
 
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I am a big fan of using the full payload range that a gun and gauge is capable of. If I like a gun, I may want to go from 3/4oz to 1-1/8oz, depending.

That being said, I do like a 1oz or 9/8oz lead load in the 16ga. It's all psychological though... for 20 years, I had only 2 guns: a Model12 16ga from one grandfather and an 11-48 28ga from the other grandfather. Both had strong memories and meanings, so I did 7/8oz and below in 28ga and used the 16ga mod12 when dove were being jumpshot further out.

16ga:
1oz 7.5s, remington hull, old waa16 wads. 1200fps
9/8oz 6s, rem hull, waa16 or sp16 wad. 1150-1200fps.

Newer, 1oz 7.5s in cheddite hull, ch209, sg16.

Steel: 410gr 3 steel, Federal hull, 1430fps or so.

If I started loading for skeet 16ga, I would do 7/8oz 1150fps 8s, cheddite ch209, sg16 or dr16. But I have 20 flats of the old Herters 8s left from their closeout...

Nowadays I have a ton of cheddite hulls, so I use straight wall wads: sg16 for 7/8oz and 1oz. Sg16s for larger. Or the z16 for 9/8oz. BREAK THE TABS BETWEEN PETALS! I haven't tried z16 myself yet, my buddy does.

I have all the old Hercules and Alliant manuals going back to 80s, and they have 40x more loads than the 3 or 4 Alliant gives today. I also have all the Alliant powders, so use greendot or Herco or Unique for my 16ga loads, right from their manuals. I use BPI advantages or LOTW from BPI for cheddite 16ga.

Also have 2000 or more loads from 16ga.com data, can't recall where they have it stored now. But tons of cheddite.
 
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Dave in AZ said:
I am a big fan of using the full payload range that a gun and gauge is capable of. If I like a gun, I may want to go from 3/4oz to 1-1/8oz, depending.

That being said, I do like a 1oz or 9/8oz lead load in the 16ga. It's all psychological though... for 20 years, I had only 2 guns: a Model12 16ga from one grandfather and an 11-48 28ga from the other grandfather. Both had strong memories and meanings, so I did 7/8oz and below in 28ga and used the 16ga mod12 when dove were being jumpshot further out.

16ga:
1oz 7.5s, remington hull, old waa16 wads. 1200fps
9/8oz 6s, rem hull, waa16 or sp16 wad. 1150-1200fps.

Newer, 1oz 7.5s in cheddite hull, ch209, sg16.

Steel: 410gr 3 steel, Federal hull, 1430fps or so.

If I started loading for skeet 16ga, I would do 7/8oz 1150fps 8s, cheddite ch209, sg16 or dr16. But I have 20 flats of the old Herters 8s left from their closeout...

Nowadays I have a ton of cheddite hulls, so I use straight wall wads: sg16 for 7/8oz and 1oz. Sg16s for larger. Or the z16 for 9/8oz. BREAK THE TABS BETWEEN PETALS! I haven't tried z16 myself yet, my buddy does.

I have all the old Hercules and Alliant manuals going back to 80s, and they have 40x more loads than the 3 or 4 Alliant gives today. I also have all the Alliant powders, so use greendot or Herco or Unique for my 16ga loads, right from their manuals. I use BPI advantages or LOTW from BPI for cheddite 16ga.

Also have 2000 or more loads from 16ga.com data, can't recall where they have it stored now. But tons of cheddite.
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Thank you very much on the informative response!
 
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These days I load some of my remaining 700X for 7/8 oz skeet loads at 1150 fps for my AYA #2 SxS....using a CB 7/8 oz wad plus a Cherrio filler. I have a similar Green Dot load. Slower speed is less recoil and for skeet the 1150 fps loads work awesome. I hunt with 1 or 1-1/8 oz of #6 shot, velocity at 1180 for early season and 1250 or so later, powder whatever I have...HS6 being one, plus a few other obsolete Hodgdon powders.
 
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Over the past 30 years I've loaded more than 50,000 16ga loads in everything from the old Winchester compression formed hulls, paper hulls from the 1950's, and every flavor and color of the straightwall Feds, Wins, Cheddites, Kents, Fioddhis, Herters, RST, etc. Throughout that time my favorite was always the Remington black game load hulls despite their peculiarities. That hull was/is reloadable with anything from 5/8 to 1&1/8 ounce without fillers as long as the DR16 and SP16 could be had.

Now that I'm past 70 and down to a single 16ga SxS I've decided to finish out with the RGL and the pink AA-style Claybusters. I've given away all my straightwall hulls, SG and DR 16 wads. Now that Alliant powders are pretty much defunct...especially Green Dot, 20/28, American Select and Extralite.....I've transitioned to Winchester Super Target.
My 9000G is locked and loaded, never to change again, for

RGL hull, 24gm shot
R209 primer
CB0078-16 wad
15.5 grains WST
1178 fps, MAD=6, SD=8

On paper, it will recoil less than your standard 20ga "skeet" load. The load is not lab-tested and not recommended for use by less-than-legendary 16ga aficionados.
 
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IDMARKLEY said:
I have load data from numerous resources including precision.I'm asking about personal preference.
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Well i use several loads in my french sxs 16 gauge , my low recoil load is a cheddite hull. Cheddite primer, 15gr of hodgdon clays and a remington SP16 OR AN R16 wad. 1 oz of #5 and recoil is light. And patterns very well. I do use 20gr of longshot in a remington hull, With remington wad.
CCI 209 Primer and it does well..a little stouter than the clays load, but definitely on the milder side, also have used red dot at 17 grains in the same remington hulls.same primer and wad.. With 1oz #5 ( 17gr red dot ) and it worked great in my dbl. Hope it helps.
 
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@IDMARKLEY this is a good place to ask, kinda goes with your thread... I just got about 50 once fired ACTIV 16ga hulls! These are beautiful, massive volume, and load forever. I also have a bag of original Activ 16ga wads.

This is the "best" hull I have for crimps and volume, can't decide what to use them for! Normally I love the black Remingtons from 90s. I'm thinking a full oz steel 3s will work pressure wise due to volume. What would you use it for? Big bismuth load?
 
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Federal 2 3/4" paper basewad hull
Winchester 209 primer
16.0 grains 700-X
DownRange DR16 wad
7/8 oz. lead shot

Tested by Precision

1,260 FPS - 8,200 PSI
Sd 11 FPS
ES 30 FPS

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Cheddite 2 3/4" 2 pc. plastic hull
Winchester 209 primer
18.0 grains American Select
DownRange DR16 wad
3/4 oz. lead shot

Tested by Tom Armbrust

1,340 FPS - 9,500 PSI
Sd 4 FPS
ES 12 FPS
 
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dogchaser37 said:
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Cheddite 2 3/4" 2 pc. plastic hull
Winchester 209 primer
18.0 grains American Select
DownRange DR16 wad
3/4 oz. lead shot

Tested by Tom Armbrust

1,340 FPS - 9,500 PSI
Sd 4 FPS
ES 12 FPS
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That's an impressive load.

If you were still in Connecticut I'd strike you a deal on some American Select. I've had 2 kegs for several years now that I just can't move to the front burner. I've tried to make it work in the 16ga RGL in the 15-16 grain range with no success. Haven't gotten a likeable 1 ounce load for the 12ga either. I've had no luck getting SD's below 20 with it so I figure I'll burn it up in practice loads when it's time.

On topic... I've had great success with Green Dot and Int Clays as well but they're pretty much defunct. Going forward, if my powder bunker were dry, I'd focus on Tight Group/High Gun ( I already have). I'm sure it can replace Green Dot as my do-all powder for light/moderate loads in 20, 16, 12ga as well as 38spl, 9mm and 45 ACP.
 
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mike campbell said:
That's an impressive load.

If you were still in Connecticut I'd strike you a deal on some American Select. I've had 2 kegs for several years now that I just can't move to the front burner. I've tried to make it work in the 16ga RGL in the 15-16 grain range with no success. Haven't gotten a likeable 1 ounce load for the 12ga either. I've had no luck getting SD's below 20 with it so I figure I'll burn it up in practice loads when it's time.

On topic... I've had great success with Green Dot and Int Clays as well but they're pretty much defunct. Going forward, if my powder bunker were dry, I'd focus on Tight Group/High Gun ( I already have). I'm sure it can replace Green Dot as my do-all powder for light/moderate loads in 20, 16, 12ga as well as 38spl, 9mm and 45 ACP.
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I am completely out of Green Dot, American Select, Universal, Unique and close to being out of 700-X. I moved on to N320 for the 16 ga. with 7/8 oz. and 1 oz. loads. 3N37 for 1 1/8 oz. hunting loads.

That 3/4 oz. load is/was really nice. I made it for my Citori for target loads. I want to use it in my M37 for target loads.

The 7/8 oz. load with 700-X is really nice and functions my 1100.

I kinda like High Gun, Titewad and Perfect Pattern in that order.

That American Select, kinda fills the same slot as Green Dot. I am surprised it hasn't worked in the RGL's.
 
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mike campbell said:
That's an impressive load.

If you were still in Connecticut I'd strike you a deal on some American Select. I've had 2 kegs for several years now that I just can't move to the front burner. I've tried to make it work in the 16ga RGL in the 15-16 grain range with no success. Haven't gotten a likeable 1 ounce load for the 12ga either. I've had no luck getting SD's below 20 with it so I figure I'll burn it up in practice loads when it's time.

On topic... I've had great success with Green Dot and Int Clays as well but they're pretty much defunct. Going forward, if my powder bunker were dry, I'd focus on Tight Group/High Gun ( I already have). I'm sure it can replace Green Dot as my do-all powder for light/moderate loads in 20, 16, 12ga as well as 38spl, 9mm and 45 ACP.
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I shoot 3/4oz at clay targets and 7/8oz for hunting. I still have a stash of Green Dot for the 16. I also use it in 2 1/2" loads. My favorite hull is the Winchester AA Dove & Quail, I have quite a few of them, but use the Black Remington also.
 
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