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yet another SGW post where someone tries to justify their approach to spending money on this hobby by disparaging the approach that other people have taken.

Not one person on here can prove Beretta's claims are false. if those claims cause someone to feel better about their purchase why should any of us care? We're talking about expensive toys that make little clay disks blow up in the sky for the amusement of the user. It's not like big pharma downplaying side effects or something.

if you could win world championships by having strong opinions online about shotguns this place would be so stacked.
 
I think the biggest take away is that any of the top tier gunmakers, Beretta, Perazzi, Zoli, Blaser, Krieghoff (and even Browning and Guerini) make a gun capable of world class performance in the hands of a highly skilled shooter. If one truly outperformed the others everyone would shoot it.
 
Yeah, because he couldn’t have been the worlds most successful men’s Olympic skeet shooter with another brand, it must’ve been the propriety beretta barrel profile🙄
What did Kim rhode shoot for her first two or three Olympic golds? 682?
If they refused to shoot Beretta’s and instead won shooting P or K guns would this discussion be taking place?
Or maybe instead the discussion would be about the superiority of $20,000 K and P guns.
Maybe it is irritating to some here that Beretta burst the bubble of belief in the superiority of those “top tier” makes. So now it‘s “ well those competitors could win shooting anything because they are so good.”
And “Beretta markets to suckers who believe anything.”
God forbid if those top competitors ever switched to Caesar Guerini and started winning with guns having imitation damascus pattern acid etched mono blocks. Heads would explode here.
 
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If they refused to shoot Beretta’s and instead won shooting P or K guns would this discussion be taking place?
Or maybe instead the discussion would be about the superiority of $20,000 K and P guns.
Maybe it is irritating to some here that Beretta burst the bubble of belief in the superiority of those “top tier” makes.
God forbid if those top competitors ever switched to Caesar Guerini and started winning with guns having imitation damascus pattern acid etched mono blocks. Heads would explode here.
There wasn’t a weekly shill video claiming someone’s success due to tri bore barrels. Or exis chokes, whatever they’re called. It’s ridiculous.
 
I think the biggest take away is that any of the top tier gunmakers, Beretta, Perazzi, Zoli, Blaser, Krieghoff (and even Browning and Guerini) make a gun capable of world class performance in the hands of a highly skilled shooter. If one truly outperformed the others everyone would shoot it.
One of my best shooting buddies in the past year traded in a Krieghoff K80 trap gun for a basic BT99. He just traded in his Blaser F3 12 ga for a Browning 725 Sporting with the maple stock. He shot the 725 so well today, that he told me he's going to trade his Krieghoff K20 Sporting in for a 725 Sporting 20 ga. He started out shooting Brownings years ago and shot them well. He is getting up in years and the lighter 725s suit him well. I can't remember when I've seen him so happy. I said to him, "Allan, you're a Browning guy." He smiled back at me and said, "Well I guess I am."

I own and shoot a Krieghoff KX-5 for trap. My backup gun is a Miroku Mk38 Trap. For Skeet and SC I have always shot Browning/Miroku shotguns and never felt the need to upgrade, even tho I can easily afford to do so. Just this week I went 73/75 in skeet with my 725 Sporting .410 and 73/75 in skeet with my Miroku Mk 38 Sporting 12 ga. for a combined 97.33 avg for the week. I don't think I'd do better shooting anything else. Either they fit and handle well for you, or, they don't. A shotgun is a proximity firearm. It's not rocket science.
 
Glock makes a good gun for the truck.. If I’m shooting steel it’s gonna be a 1911 or 2011.
Sold the Gen 3 with the finger grooves; dealer sold it for a lot more than I paid for it; good consignment; replaced it with a S&W M&P 2.0; adjustable back straps made it fit my hand much better

As to the steelium claim, I have one, gun is about 8.25# and shoots well. Less recoil because of it? Not buying that
 
they do. But pennies compared to a sneaker deal.. Not enough to compromise their performance.
If U are a top tier shooter U can shoot anything U want and get basically the same deal.
Do U think that if George Digweed's managers went to Krieghoff and said "match what Perazzi pays us and he will switch" that Krieghoff wouldn't jump on that?
The bottom line is that all these guns are durable and can be made to fit any shooter. It doesn't matter what brand any of them shoot, they will still be good. None of these guns would hold the top guys back from their top performance.

Some of them just stayed with a brand because it's what they shot before they became sponsored, some of them probably got big bucks to switch, and some of them probably just pick what they like and don't care that much about sponsorship.

That's the truth.
 
it's funny how much U hate Beretta that U create strawman arguments.. the facts are simple. Matarese, Hancock etc can use whatever they want. They chose Beretta. Brandon Powell chose Krieghoff and Digweed chose Perazzi.. do U really think it's like an NBA shoe contract?
they aren't paid enough to compromise their performance.. clearly these superstar shooters prefer what they use.. btw, Hancock used Beretta as a kid.. Powell purchased his first K80 preowned.
Beretta wrote some big checks to get a lot of top shooters to switch. Kim used her Perazzi for well over a million rounds; when she got her new Beretta, she was disgusted with the "custom" stock they made for her that she took her Perazzi stock to them and basically said - make it exactly like this or I don't want it.
 
When I was in rimfire benchrest 10 years ago, there was a big mouth gunsmith who did build some good rifles that proclaimed to the benchrest masses that you couldn't win a big match with a certain type of custom bolt action, or, a certain type of rifling, or a certain type of stock. I had a rifle built with that type of action, that type of barrel and that type of stock and won a national championship with it. Did I rub it in a little bit? You betcha.
 
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Sold the Gen 3 with the finger grooves; dealer sold it for a lot more than I paid for it; good consignment; replaced it with a S&W M&P 2.0; adjustable back straps made it fit my hand much better

As to the steelium claim, I have one, gun is about 8.25# and shoots well. Less recoil because of it? Not buying that
The m&p looks very nice. If I cared to buy any handguns I would get one eventually
 
One of my best shooting buddies in the past year traded in a Krieghoff K80 trap gun for a basic BT99. He just traded in his Blaser F3 12 ga for a Browning 725 Sporting with the maple stock. He shot the 725 so well today, that he told me he's going to trade his Krieghoff K20 Sporting in for a 725 Sporting 20 ga. He started out shooting Brownings years ago and shot them well. He is getting up in years and the lighter 725s suit him well. I can't remember when I've seen him so happy. I said to him, "Allan, you're a Browning guy." He smiled back at me and said, "Well I guess I am."

I own and shoot a Krieghoff KX-5 for trap. My backup gun is a Miroku Mk38 Trap. For Skeet and SC I have always shot Browning/Miroku shotguns and never felt the need to upgrade, even tho I can easily afford to do so. Just this week I went 73/75 in skeet with my 725 Sporting .410 and 73/75 in skeet with my Miroku Mk 38 Sporting 12 ga. for a combined 97.33 avg for the week. I don't think I'd do better shooting anything else. Either they fit and handle well for you, or, they don't. A shotgun is a proximity firearm. It's not rocket science.
Good news! Tell your buddy that I will trade him my Browning CXS 20/28 two barrel set, with a leather case, for his K20 Sporting! Even up and I'll throw in the case.
 
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When I was in rimfire benchrest 10 years ago, there was a big mouth gunsmith who did build some good rifles that proclaimed to the benchrest masses that you couldn't win a big match with a certain type of custom bolt action, or, a certain type of rifling, or a certain type of stock. I had a rifle built with that type of action, that type of barrel and that type of stock and won a national championship with it. Did I rub it in a little bit? You betcha.
Must’ve been a Steelium pro barrel. Not plus. And the pro X wasn’t out yet.
 
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Beretta wrote some big checks to get a lot of top shooters to switch. Kim used her Perazzi for well over a million rounds; when she got her new Beretta, she was disgusted with the "custom" stock they made for her that she took her Perazzi stock to them and basically said - make it exactly like this or I don't want it.
So are you trying to get us to actually believe it’s the Indian and not the arrow? I wasn’t born yesterday!
 
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