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markIVbigblock

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im looking for a good all around gun it would mostly b used for trap and pheasant and quail hunting i prefer 20 ga but dont mind 12 i like o/u's but have begun to look at semi auto's and am even considering a 16 ga wingmaster from remington any suggestions would b helpful i am on a tight budget and would like to stay under $700 thanx :D

P.S.: i have been looking on forums at shotgunworld for about a week now this site is awesome and is a great source for info
 
Wingmasters are great guns. Take note that the new 16s are 12 gauges with barrels just as large but a smaller internal diameter. You could also buy a nice Ithaca pump for that price. The double barrels in that price range are not of the same quality as the nicer pumps. Some of the more basic autoladers from the larger companies could also be had for that price. The 11-87 20 Premier is a good gun for a good price without being the hulk of a gun some of the 12ga autos are.
 
I have tried the less expensive O/U's and they will not hold up to a lot of shooting. You will be better off with a quality pump or semi-auto. And if you are recoil sensitive at all with a 12ga then a semi-auto is your best choice. It is hard to beat a new Remington 1100 or 11-87 in that price range in any gauge.
 
markIVbigblock i dont nowhat ur sayin cause i canttell whur1 wurdstopsand the nxt1 begins nowhatimean it allruns tugethur hav u evrherd of punctuation
 
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Ulysses not to get smart w/ u or anything but usually when i wanna see where one word ends and the other begins i look for the space between them but maybe thats just me and to be honest w/ u i think about shooting and hunting more than i do punctuation or grammar
 
The new 1100 16 gauge is the exact same gun as the 12 gauge, except they bore a smaller hole in the same sized barrrel. They give no advantages in size and weight that a properly made 16ga would.
 
Remington 1100 is one fine gun AND 16 gauge is the best all-around. Mix the 2 and you have one awesome gun. Also, if you are in the market for a well-made, dependable O/U, then look at the Verona. Nothing in its price range (and some more expensive) can touch it for quality and aesthetics.
 
Come on, pumper. You know they don't use the same size barrel with a smaller bore. If they did, the 16 gauge would weigh more than the 12 gauge.

Scott
 
I agree with you KT13 but I would not recommend a 16 that is the same as its 12 counterpart. The 12ga version is the exact weight and everything so in this case the 16 is only a handicap. Had they built the 16 on its own fram or on the 20 it would be a much better gun. Remington has not fully dedicated themselves to new 16s, only going as far as putting a 16ga hole in a 12ga barrel.
 
Winders, call them and ask that is what I did.
 
pumper said:
Winders, call them and ask that is what I did.
Then not only does the 16 gauge Model 1100 weigh about 1/2 lbs more than the 12 gauge, it is barrel heavy too...

Anyone here have a 16 gauge Model 1100? Can you measure the barrel O.D.? Can someone measure the O.D. of their 12 gauge Mode 1100?

Scott
 
According to their website the guns weigh the same. Don't attack me for telling him what Remington told me.
 
pumper said:
Don't attack me for telling him what Remington told me.
Attack?? Aren't we overreacting just a little bit today?

Scott
 
Oy it wasn't a raction, just trying to calm ourselves before anything got going. Couldn't you hear the upward inflection in my voice?
 
Winders and Pumper,
I'm going to seperate you two if this keeps up.

Are you guys brothers?

:idea: Why not PM each other instead of hijacking topics?
 
No madness here at all. Just plain, hard cold facts. There is nothing that you do with a 12 gauge that cannot be done with a 16. The 16 offers everything the 12 does with lighter recoil to boot. In the hands of someone who can shoot well the 16 is far superior. 12 gauge may be more popular but that doesn't equate to better.
 
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