See above; you've answered your own question.redchevy said:Thanks, Mr Frank. I will have to agree with you on all that you stated above, what i'm tring to do with the gun is the shots that are to thick and close for my Browning B A R ( 30-06), where i'm hunting at has areas that will go thick to thin with in 10 feet, so what i'm tring to do is have the best of both worlds. The long range of the B A R and the short power of the 10. Oh yea, i'm dog hunting so you know how fast the deer will be moving through. When i have to go down in the branch heads, the 10 will be idea, or so i hope! This is what i'm tring to figure out, do i need the 10 or should i just get a 12 magand do what i need to do?