[SamL]

Hi folks,I'm the new guy here, just registered this morning.I've done trap a few times and have just rejoined a local club to continue with the sport. I currently shoot a Mossberg 500, and while this works, I'm kinda-sorta in the market for a new gun. While I'd love an O/U, I'm simply not willing to dump >$1K into a gun at this point, and at the urging of several friends, am foregoing the cheap eastern European O/Us that have become available (EAA, Baikal, etc). As a matter of fact, I'm pretty well convinced I want to go with a Remington 1100 semi. (Of course, that used SKB 20ga pump I saw yesterday for $175 didn't look too bad, but I digress...)My question for this august group is, should I stick with 12ga, or lighten up and go for a 20? The 12 can pound the heck out of my shoulder, and I'm usually not up for more than a couple of rounds of trap (or about a box worth of shells) before I have to pack it in. I'm willing to experiment with loads; I've been using mostly 7 shot with the Mossberg, and just bought some 9 shot to see if that helps. I'm also leaning toward the semi auto, since I understand the gas system absorbs some of the recoil. But what about dropping down to 20ga? I'm thinking the decrease in kick could make it downright pleasant to shoot. Would I be giving up too much in pattern or power at the other end?Comments, please!-- Sam

 

[dthomas49]

I had a browning gold sporting clays edition, another gas operated auto, and during the practices for our highschool team I could shoot three or four hundred a night. I would stick with the 12 and find the load that works for you. Maybe try 1 oz loads instead of 1 1/8 loads.

 

[mtaylor]

A couple of things to consider...A 20 gauge will not necessarily kick less than a 12 gauge.When shooting trap you have to consider that you may have a shooter in the line of fire of your spent hulls when using an autoloader.

 

[yotecaller]

If I were you I would stick with a 12 Gauge.If you get a semi auto they don`t kick as much as your pump.I use a semi and I shoot at least a hundred rounds each time and my shoulder feels fine.

 

[IainGT]

I can shoot a case of shells ( 3 Dram 1 1/8o z ) in an afternoon with my 12ga SKB gas auto.20ga is too much of a handicap @ trap.

 

[Chuck Webb]

I would stick with the 12. When you get a trap model of anything, if it fits you, the perceived recoil should be less. If you get an auto, the actual recoil will be less. I can't shoot a field grade gun for 100 rounds without discomfort, at least anything that I've tried over the years. I attribute this to a shorter length of pull and much different angle of the comb. The Remington 1100 would be a good choice as a 1st trap gun for a budget conscious shooter. There are a lot of people out there that use an 1100 after years of shooting. My personal preference is break-open singles or O/U's, but that's just me.Also, if you reload, 12 ga. components are much more readily available and in a wider variety because more people shoot 12's. Same goes for target shells if you don't reload. Anyway, these are all just my opinions, FWIW. I don't want to start any discussion wars about my gun is better than your gun, etc. I never met a trap gun I didn't like, just some I liked better.

 

[SamL]

Thanks for the replies, folks.While I'd love to get an O/U they're generally more than I can spend. I've gotten mixed feedback on the low end O/Us like the Baikals and EAAs (< $500 guns, new), and I'm just not in the position to plunk down over $1K for a Red Label, (or more for a) Browning, etc. I just can't get over the idea that there's a reason most O/Us are over a grand, and the EAAs are so cheap. On the other hand, I may be missing out on one of the great bargains. Who knows?I'm looking at the 1100 mainly because a) it's gas/semi and will have the attendant recoil reduction, and b) it's a proven performer, neither of which I can say for the cheaper O/Us. At least at this point I do think I'm gonna stick with 12ga. Thanks again, and keep those replies coming if you've got something that might help my search!-- Sam

 

[kondorthe3rd]

Thanks for the replies, folks.While I'd love to get an O/U they're generally more than I can spend. I've gotten mixed feedback on the low end O/Us like the Baikals and EAAs (< $500 guns, new), and I'm just not in the position to plunk down over $1K for a Red Label, (or more for a) Browning, etc. I just can't get over the idea that there's a reason most O/Us are over a grand, and the EAAs are so cheap. On the other hand, I may be missing out on one of the great bargains. Who knows?I'm looking at the 1100 mainly because a) it's gas/semi and will have the attendant recoil reduction, and b) it's a proven performer, neither of which I can say for the cheaper O/Us. At least at this point I do think I'm gonna stick with 12ga. Thanks again, and keep those replies coming if you've got something that might help my search!-- Sam

Orrrrrr…Think about a Tristan G2 Viper. Soft shooting. VERY easy to clean and maintain (which is why I bought one). Look very nice and for me fit extremely well. Lots of nice things said about these guns in a lot of the categories here. I have a 20 gauge but am looking at the 12 gauge Sporting. Red Cerakote on black, 30” barrel, enlarged bolt handle and bolt release. Very sharp looking shotgun in my opinion. And that’s coming from someone who has been an 870 and vintage side by side guy all my life. Good luck with whatever route you go.

 

[AHI]

8 year's. By now decision should have been made.

 

[HenryVac]

8 year's. By now decision should have been made.

I really like this new forum software, but this is the one aspect I hate. I've seen it wreck other online forums. Threads aren't auto-locked after a year or so, then newbies "helpfully" reply to a long dead topic. (And maybe even a long-dead correspondent!)

Half the problem is the lack of thread locking. Unless something is a sticky thread, there's no reason to have it still be active eight years later.

The other half of the problem is the useless Recommended Reading section at the bottom which just dredges up old topics for no good reason.

 

[randyflycaster]

As far as I know, a 20 gauge will kick a lot less than a 12 gauge when the 20s are shot out of a tubed, 12 gauge shotgun. That is why a lot of skeet shooters shoot 20 gauge in 12 gauge events. BTW, I have a recoil reducer on my 12 gauge shotgun. I also added weight. It weighs about 9.5 pounds. To me, my gun has less recoil than the gas semis that I have shot.

(Just ordered a Falcon Strike recoil reducer for my new Trap gun.)

Randy

 

[drawdc]

8 year's. By now decision should have been made.

More like 18 years. This is getting silly.

 

[AHI]

Yes you are correct 18 years. Yes this is a issue. After a year it should be locked .

 

[acs583]

Yes you are correct 18 years. Yes this is a issue. After a year it should be locked .

No way! Don’t let this thread die.

 

[AHI]

No way! Don’t let this thread die.

The way it works on other forms. You contact a moderator. If you really have something to add. They in turn unlock or tell you to start a new thread.

 

[Coach Super-X]

No way! Don’t let this thread die.

That's right! I'm going back to 1984 and winning state!
(Sorry, your avatar made me chuckle, and the world would be a better place if more people knew who Uncle Ricco was.)

 

[Coach Super-X]

The way it works on other forms. You contact a moderator. If you really have something to add. They in turn unlock or tell you to start a new thread.

I don't understand your beef. WHO CARES??? Sure the OP is dead or has taken up bowling but the issues are timeless, and it is fun to be reminded of the old characters. You don't have to read them if you are not into it.

I just this morning bought a 20-ga to use for trap (bunker, where 7/8 oz is max anyway).

 

[tdyoung58]

If your gun is beating you up .... The fit is wrong. Probably getting slapped in the head as well.
All at the place you shoot, who you need to contact about gun fit. Even if you buy a new gun, you'll need it fit to you too keep from getting beat up. Might be something as simple as a different recoil pad or a spacer.

 

[AHI]

I don't understand your beef. WHO CARES??? Sure the OP is dead or has taken up bowling but the issues are timeless, and it is fun to be reminded of the old characters. You don't have to read them if you are not into it.

I just this morning bought a 20-ga to use for trap (bunker, where 7/8 oz is max anyway).

Don't have a beef . Answered a fn question. What is your beef? Nevermind I don't want to know.

 

[kondorthe3rd]

I shoot my own trap (clay pigeons in the back yard with my trius 1-step) at least once a week. I shoot 12, 20, 28 gauge and .410 bore all with equal success. I know that the targets are closer than with 16 yard trap but all of my shotguns break the clays with equal success. Except for a couple recently purchased semi-autos all are Remington 870’s. I’ve measured where the broken clays end up and have (non-scientificly) determined that the targets are usually about 30 yards away when they break. The 12, 20 and the 28 will dust the targets when the shot is centered and I see no difference between the gauges. I’m retiring in a few months and plan to join a league in Pepin Wisconsin where I will obviously stick with a 12 gauge. On a side note. For some reason my .410 870 is shooting high. Anyone know how I can DIY shim my stock?