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I find few actual 1 oz wads for 20 ga. What wad(7/8?) and powder combo has anyone been successful with? I`m getting ready to experiment with some heavy skeet loads in a tubed skeet gun for 12 ga competiton.
 

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The Winchester 20F1 wad has been out of production for several years, and is nearly impossible to find.

The Remington SP20 is the current wad of choice for 1 oz 20 gauge loads in a Remington or Winchester hull.

Load data is available from any of the powder manufacturers.
 

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Chris,
I know where you are headed with this and why. It relates back to the other thread about using the 12 or 20 in 12 ga. events, and whether to use the O/U or an autoloader.

Chris, experience has shown that you gain nothing in performance, using loads heavier than the standard 7/8 20 ga. load. At least not at Skeet. If the standard load don't get it, it's not the load at fault, and going heavier won't help your scores, and may in fact deter performance a tad.

Do as you will, but you are fixing to head your train down a dirt road.

If you must have a 1 oz. load, go to Alliants web based load data and pick one you like. The Remington wad is the only one still in production, and you will need to base your load on that wad.

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Not being a smart aleck, really want to know: Why do 12 gauge loads of 1-1/4 to 11-1/2 oz of shot, in other words loads heavier than 1-1/8 oz, seem to work fine, but loads heavier than 7/8 oz in 20 gauges, don't? I only load 7/8ths /20's, so just askin'.
 

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Spud said:
Not being a smart aleck, really want to know: Why do 12 gauge loads of 1-1/4 to 11-1/2 oz of shot, in other words loads heavier than 1-1/8 oz, seem to work fine, but loads heavier than 7/8 oz in 20 gauges, don't? I only load 7/8ths /20's, so just askin'.
Good question. I`m interested in the answer also.

My original intent here was to go with a slightly heavier 20 ga load for 12 ga competion in skeet hoping to utilize possibly some more open chokes...say .003 or so. Just playing to see waht I could come up with.....
 

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Chris, I know for a fact that some here use nothing but 1-3/8th 12's for pheasants. I've killed 'em with 1 oz 20's. These are mostly planted birds, however. Didn't mean to hijack your thread. Enquiring minds wanna know.
 

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Easy question.
This is SKEET we are talking about. A 21 Yard Game.

This is not 35 to 40 yard and beyong hunting situations.

The 7/8 oz. payload will give sufficiently dense patterns of around 28 to 29 inches in diameter, that will insure 100% kills if the shooter does his part.

If you can't handle that, then how do you ever expect to be proficient with the 21 inch patterns of the 410 ??? Or the 26 to 27 inch patterns of the 28 ga. ???

Skeet is not a game of spray and prey. It's all about placing your pattern in the correct place to intercept the target, when it reaches target distance. 2 ounces of shot won't do any better, if you don't place the shot correctly.

All very simply said, "It's not the amount of lead that you throw at a target, it's the precision of how you place the shot.

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D L Marcum said:
Easy question.
This is SKEET we are talking about. A 21 Yard Game.

This is not 35 to 40 yard and beyong hunting situations.

The 7/8 oz. payload will give sufficiently dense patterns of around 28 to 29 inches in diameter, that will insure 100% kills if the shooter does his part.

If you can't handle that, then how do you ever expect to be proficient with the 21 inch patterns of the 410 ??? Or the 26 to 27 inch patterns of the 28 ga. ???

Skeet is not a game of spray and prey. It's all about placing your pattern in the correct place to intercept the target, when it reaches target distance. 2 ounces of shot won't do any better, if you don't place the shot correctly.

All very simply said, "It's not the amount of lead that you throw at a target, it's the precision of how you place the shot.

DLM
I agree but in this case we are competeing against a 12 ga with 1 1/8 oz of shot with someone possibly using even a cylinder choke. I`d assume his pattern is somewhat larger giving them the advantage. I know we`re supposded to hit the clay but I hope you can see my angle on this.
 

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cbxchris said:
D L Marcum said:
Easy question.
This is SKEET we are talking about. A 21 Yard Game.

This is not 35 to 40 yard and beyong hunting situations.

The 7/8 oz. payload will give sufficiently dense patterns of around 28 to 29 inches in diameter, that will insure 100% kills if the shooter does his part.

If you can't handle that, then how do you ever expect to be proficient with the 21 inch patterns of the 410 ??? Or the 26 to 27 inch patterns of the 28 ga. ???

Skeet is not a game of spray and prey. It's all about placing your pattern in the correct place to intercept the target, when it reaches target distance. 2 ounces of shot won't do any better, if you don't place the shot correctly.

All very simply said, "It's not the amount of lead that you throw at a target, it's the precision of how you place the shot.

DLM
I agree but in this case we are competeing against a 12 ga with 1 1/8 oz of shot with someone possibly using even a cylinder choke. I`d assume his pattern is somewhat larger giving them the advantage. I know we`re supposded to hit the clay but I hope you can see my angle on this.
Looks to me like you ain't a sissy that needs a howitzer to bust a clay bird. Beat them with your 20 and rub their knuckles in it.
 

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Chris,
Two things you will never see me or many many other shooters do. One is shoot 1-1/8 oz. loads and the other is use Cyl Bore chokes I'll agree that some do, but more do not, than those that do.

However that's all personal preference and I'll not get into that.

You have heard my recommendations. I have been at this game more years than I want to remember. These are my recommendations and convictions. Use them or don't, as you desire. Experience with myself and many members of my squadmates thru the years, bears these convictions out. Use them as you see fit.

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D L Marcum said:
Chris,
Two things you will never see me or many many other shooters do. One is shoot 1-1/8 oz. loads and the other is use Cyl Bore chokes I'll agree that some do, but more do not, than those that do.

However that's all personal preference and I'll not get into that.

You have heard my recommendations. I have been at this game more years than I want to remember. These are my recommendations and convictions. Use them or don't, as you desire. Experience with myself and many members of my squadmates thru the years, bears these convictions out. Use them as you see fit.

Thanks for your advice!
DLM
 

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I shoot 3/4 oz loads of #8-1/2 in the 20 gauge.... and I shoot the 20 in the 12 gauge event, as well; no need to go any heavier than that. As DLM alluded to earlier, the .410 is where you separate the men from the boys.

I suppose there might be a slight advantage to shooting 1 oz of #9 with a slightly more open choke, but I'd prefer to shoot the bird rather than shoot AT the bird.
 

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cbxchris said:
D L Marcum said:
Chris,
Two things you will never see me or many many other shooters do. One is shoot 1-1/8 oz. loads and the other is use Cyl Bore chokes I'll agree that some do, but more do not, than those that do.

However that's all personal preference and I'll not get into that.

You have heard my recommendations. I have been at this game more years than I want to remember. These are my recommendations and convictions. Use them or don't, as you desire. Experience with myself and many members of my squadmates thru the years, bears these convictions out. Use them as you see fit.

Thanks for your advice!
DLM
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Some of the loads for 1 oz in the 20 are pretty high pressure to get you the speed you want. That is not good for the tubes. Some model 20 tubes will fail in the extractor webbing if you pound them with big pressure.

I shot 12 gauge and a real 20 gauge and my scores are higher with the 20 using 7/8. You think you will miss the extra shot but you don't do to mitigating factors like recoil or change in gun or gun feel/setup. This year for instance the hi average champion in the skeet 12 was won by a fellow shooting it with a 20 gauge and he missed no targets. Lastly...think of cost.

Try them and see if you like the one ounce. Maybe you will.
Good shooters have used them effectively. The journey down the skeet carreer is about making choices you think give you advantages and always trying to better your personal game. Thru the years you change things around and sometimes advice is nice but you have to go down the dirt path on your own.

+ 1 on Marcum advice, et al
 

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Curly-Nohair said:
cbxchris said:
D L Marcum said:
Chris,
Two things you will never see me or many many other shooters do. One is shoot 1-1/8 oz. loads and the other is use Cyl Bore chokes I'll agree that some do, but more do not, than those that do.

However that's all personal preference and I'll not get into that.

You have heard my recommendations. I have been at this game more years than I want to remember. These are my recommendations and convictions. Use them or don't, as you desire. Experience with myself and many members of my squadmates thru the years, bears these convictions out. Use them as you see fit.

Thanks for your advice!
DLM
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Yeah I noticed that AFTER I posted it....couldn`t fix it then.

To DLM again, Thanks for your comments.
 

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cbxchris said:
Curly-Nohair said:
cbxchris said:
D L Marcum said:
Chris,
Two things you will never see me or many many other shooters do. One is shoot 1-1/8 oz. loads and the other is use Cyl Bore chokes I'll agree that some do, but more do not, than those that do.

However that's all personal preference and I'll not get into that.

You have heard my recommendations. I have been at this game more years than I want to remember. These are my recommendations and convictions. Use them or don't, as you desire. Experience with myself and many members of my squadmates thru the years, bears these convictions out. Use them as you see fit.

Thanks for your advice!
DLM
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Yeah I noticed that AFTER I posted it....couldn`t fix it then.

To DLM again, Thanks for your comments.
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How many times has it been said in these forums - "no advantage", "a waste of lead", "no need for more", "nothing gained", and my personal favorite "breaks 'em just as good" when discussing the advantages/disadvantages of 3/4 oz. vs. 7/8 oz. vs. 1 oz. loads?

Thinking it is one thing, but proving it is something else altogether. You can pattern and chronograph until your eyes cross, but the only true measure is a direct comparison on real targets over time.

A few boxes or a flat of a new load shot over a few days or weeks proves almost nothing; so unless you're a far more motivated and methodical practice shooter than I am, the comparison needs to be done on targets shot in competition. Use scores and averages, and include shootoff performance or any combination of benchmarks you choose. If at the end of a season you can look back and show that nothing was gained by shooting that 1 oz. load vs. the 7/8, you've got your answer.

On the other hand, there just might be a clear advantage, and I'm not talking about a HUGE advantage either. IMO if a solid AA shooter can find just a half target per 100 improvement (that's only six or seven 12 ga. targets over a season), he'd be foolish not to take advantage of it.

I love that little 3/4 oz. 20 gauge load with a 6 lb. SxS. I often shoot practice with it using the tubed skeet gun; but just as Bob Unkalis can't bring himself to use anything less than the max payload allowed for a 12 ga. event, I'd never use 3/4 oz. in a 20 ga. event, and certainly not in any 12 ga. events.
 
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