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28ga- Stoeger double or remington 870

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............ I am about to retire due to a bad heart and general run down condition. ... I am going to take up Ruffed grouse hunting here in beautiful, rural and wild upstate New York. ... My doctor has suggested I get more physical excercise for my condition. ... I would like to go afield early in the season to enjoy the fall foilage which is breathtaking in this area. ... I have decided upon either of two shotguns, a Stoeger uplander double or a remington 870 wingmaster pump. Whatever my final choice it will be in 28 gauge. ... I here am seeking those that have much field experience with either of these shotguns.

............ I do not want or wish to spend a whole lot of money (just can't afford to anyway) for a shotgun with which I may not get very much use of. ... I doubt I will fire the shotgun as much as 40-50 times a season. ... I am hoping to perhaps last only 8-10 more years myself, if I'm that lucky. ... The price of the Stoeger would be about $400 dollars while the Remington wingmaster is about $600 dollars. ... So what I am asking is for the dollars expended which is the best value? ... Some of you older gentlemen surely must have some quite extensive game shooting field experience and would be willing to voice your opinion.

............ Let me add that I already know that the Stoeger is a rough gun and is not stocked with really superior wood, no not at all. ... What I am after is realiability. ... I am not at all familar with the pump action type of shotgun, having only used doubles and over-unders before. ... But this doesn't mean that I can't learn to use the pump action style of shotgun thou. ... For my very limited hard earned money spent, which is the better buy for me to invest in? ... The Stoeger weighs in at 7.2 lbs. while the Remington is a 6 pounder. ... The Stoeger is a 26-inch imp. cyl & mod. choke while the Remington is 25-inches and has changeable Remchokes.

Am waiting for your replys ... With Kindest Regards ... Norm
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Norm;

I'm not all that familiar with hunting with a 28 ga, my first time this past weekend, but I do have 2 of them. I also have an 870 but in 12 ga. I'm a big model 12 fan, have several as well as Model 42s and a Stevens pump. I have one of them in 28 ga too as well as new 28 ga o/u Sig/Rizzini. I have over 45 years of experience hunting with a pump of one kind or other.

I have a friend who wanted to sell me his Stoger sxs 28 ga a few weeks ago before I bought the Rizzini. I had it a weekend and shot approaching 100 rnds through it. Since I'm not a big sxs fan nor do I particularly like double triggers I didn't really "mesh" with it. You'r right, it isn't particularly fancy in fit, finish, or wood. I think one can get a model with a bit of an upgrade if you desire. This one had a cheapo light white wood that the guy trying to sell it had "refinished" ! I use the term loosley! If functionality and price are more important to you than asthetics, get the Stoger sxs. Especially if you are already acustomed to using/shooting a sxs. It was a fairly well built, mechanicaly sound functional shotgun, but was far lacking in wht I was looking for at the time, especially me not being a big SxS fan anyhow. From wht you are describing as your intended use, I would get the Stoger SxS. Granted the Wingmaster is a prettier gun, maybe even worth more, but like you already discovered they cost a couple hundered bucks more than the Stoger. Buy the Stoger and the couple hundered you save on the gun, spend for shells. As you may already know, or if you don't, soon will! 28 ga shells are somewhat more money than 12 or 20 ga. No more than you are liable to use, it probably isn't worth your time to reload, unless, of course, being retired you are looking for something productive to do with a bit of time!

BP
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Norm,

I just sold a Ruger Red Label 28ga. to my brother...it did not shoot as well as I liked and had some "QC" problems. BUT I did see a few Stoeger doubles before I got my new Franchi 48AL 28ga. auto...and the Stoeger...as Burnt Powder says, is very functional and mechanically sound....just not very decent finish on the wood. I would by one just for a "knock-around" basic hunting "don't care if ya scratch it in the boonies" kind of gun.
I have been using 20 and 28 gauges for the last 30 years and I enjoy doubles in both bores. I only hunt quail anymore, and don't liked being "punched" by the larger gauges. I don't really need large bores out here in the desert where I hunt anyway.
I just bought a new BPS 28ga this year and love it. At $450 with choke tubes I think it's a better deal than the Stoeger or 870 Wingmaster. I have an 870 in 12 ga, so it's not that I don't like 870s. If you could live with the mod choke, the 870 express comes in 28ga for about $300.
Norm

I also hunt ruffs. Depending on your style of hunting.... I perfer a double so I have two chokes to choose from.

You mention health concerns and money concerns. Two thoughts:

1. If you have reason to believe that you will have $200 dollars or more the day you die, what differance does it make whether you buy a $400 or a $600 dollar gun.

2. I know a man who spent a fair size inheritance at a quick pace beliveing he would not live much longer... He has been living in proverty for 10 years now

Point being if you are going to buy a gun, $200 one way or the other doesn't really matter get the gun you want. But don't expand the logic to the point you blow all your money.

KK
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Norm,
I may be way off base here and if so, just ignore this. Is there a particular reason you want a 28 ga.? The reason I ask is you seem to be budget minded in your gun choices but have you considered the cost of 28 ga. shells as well? If gun weight, recoil or other is a concern but you still prefer a double gun, I would suggest a Stevens 311 or Ithaca SKB used double in 20 ga. Close to your price range and much cheaper shells. Lighter guns than the Stoeger and reduced recoil load shells are available in the 20.
In any event, good luck and good hunting.
Steve
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I have also taken up, or returned, to grouse hunting at an advanced age. Have shot o/u for a long time and am lucky enough to already have a light 20 gauge.

Absolutely nothing wrong with either of your choices that I can see. My experience is that even with a o/u or double you really do not have much time to think about choosing the barrel. It is more flush grouse and shoot quick, so not having a double is not a big deal to me.

I would go with the lighter of the 2 guns, the pump. Frankly, I would go with a light 20 gauge instead. The 28 gauge guns tend to be heavier than the 20 gauge, because the barrel is a lot thicker around the breech to make it match the action.

Nothing wrong with the Stoger except that 7.2 lbs is just too much weight for a grouse gun with no poop. Many 12 gauge O/U's weight less that that.The BPS mentioned below is a great gun.

If I am going to walk through the woods for 8 hours a day I want to carry something I like and am comfortable with. I regard the carrying scars as fond decorations. You can save a little money, get a lighter gun, and a lot more firepower by going to 20 gauge. I just do not consider 28 gauge as a good choice for grouse hunting, particularly with out a dog.
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............ Since I started this post here on last Wednesday I have found A Stoeger uplander double barrel shotgun in 28 gauge locally and took a good look at it. ... The stock was very slightly cracked at the receiver/butt stock area and it was being discounted for $275 dollars. ... The salesperson said he didn't think the crack was serious (of course not) and it would not affect my use (My problem once I've taken it home). ... I still am undecided as to wheather or not to take a chance on this particular shotgun at this time and to purchase it or not. ... It certainly is and looks to be a very basic starter firearm.

............ As to my efforts to look at a Remington 870 pumpgun, style wingmaster, in 28 gauge, I traveled to the Remington Arms Inc. gun manufacturing plant on Thursday to see and handle one at their gun showroom and was supprised to find the factory store closed. ... I was told that if the company store did reopen that probably they would not be selling firearms on premises due to all the legal red tape involved in selling guns at this time. ... I still am undecided as to wheather or not to buy one of their 870 28 gauges or not.

............ Just an update ... Norm
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I own 2 Stoeger Uplander Specials in 28 gauge I have killed hundreds of doves, quail and 2 pheasants with this gun.There is damned little difference between a 28 gauge 3/4 ounce load and a 7/8 ounce 20 gauge load.The 28 gauge is quite a top notch performer ballistically.Check out Bob Brister's "Shotgunning:The Art and Science" for a thorough evaluation including moving target shot stringing data. The 28 gauge Winchester AA Sporting Clay load with 3/4 ounce of 7 1/2 shot @ 1300 fps is a great factory load for Grouse,it runs about $7 a box here. Late winter I'd use handloads of 3/4 ounce Lawrence copper plated #6 at 1300 fps which is deadly on pheasants over pointing dogs.I use Cheddite hulls for that load and the data is at www.hogdon.com
The other factor is balance of which the Stoeger is the clear winner for fast mounting and that's a big deal with Mr.Ruff.
You wont find a better 28 gauge for the money.
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Buy the Stoeger. I bought a 20 gauge coach gun about 18 years ago and have shot a lot of birds with it. It is as tight as the day I bought it. I had an 870, 20 gauge, and found it to be less easy to shoot than my old model 12, 16 gauge. I dumped it quick. I haven't tried either in a 28 but I can't imagine that a smaller gauge would make the Remington the nicer handling gun.
Norm,
Wingmaster is the better choice of the two you mentioned.

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A possible third choice. I was at WalMart yesterday and saw a Remington 1187 20 ga.for $599. I know Remington makes an 1100 in 28 ga. If WalMart would sell one for $599 you would have a light-recoiling 6 1/2# auto in your price range.
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"2. I know a man who spent a fair size inheritance at a quick pace beliveing he would not live much longer... He has been living in proverty for 10 years now "

You know, this could be the secret to longevity. My Father has been telling us he was going to die any day now for the last 25 years! :lol:

I have a Stoeger O/U 12 gauge and it is a passable field gun. I got it on sale for $279. For that much money you can't go wrong even if it only lasts a few seasons.
Norm, I had the Stoger, junk! you, In my opinion would be better off with a used 870 perhaps in 20 ga ammo is cheaper the LW model with a good recoil pad will not bother you at all and it is a solid proven gun. Good luck and good hunting
The Stoger 28 ga. SxS was my very first in that gauge many years ago, before Chaney shot the lawyer and made the world aware of the 28 ga. It wasn't going to win many beauty contests but I got hooked on the 28ga. as a result. I shot it many thousands of rounds before moving on to another gun. I feel the older production guns were better quality than current, however I don't think you can go wrong for the price.

TM
A used Wingmaster in 28 gauge is a sweet handling and shooting gun. Very hard to beat reliability wise for the money. A 20 gauge in the same gun is also a good option. I had a Stoeger and would not recommend it. Yes, you can drive small finishing nails with a 3 pound hammer, but how long will you enjoy it?
You guys crack me up! :lol:

We can only hope ole Norm is still out and about, chasing Grouse after almost 8 years.
I bought a Stoger OU gun at Dick's sporting goods a couple of years ago. With it, you get exactly what you pay for. In my opinion, it is only a passable shotgun and is what many would regard as a "farmer gun"; one to carried around in the pickup to shoot varmits with. Get an 870 and you will at least have an American made gun that you can be proud of. An 1100 in 28 ga is a sweet gun if you can find one at the right price.
Seriously guys? :roll:

It's an 8 year old thread!

Norm is probably DEAD!

R.I.P Norm!
DeGriz said:
Seriously guys? :roll:

It's an 8 year old thread!

Norm is probably DEAD!

R.I.P Norm!
Hopefully not dead, but he doesn't have any information associated with his user name, so I would assume he is no longer a member here.
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