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Roe vs Wade was not a law that that the Court ruled on. It was a law THEY made up. Not within their purview or right. That's why it was over ruled and sent back to legislators who make ,not interpretate law.
It was an interpretation. Yes. Just like District of Columbia v. Heller was a Supreme Court interpretation of what "A well regulated militia" means in the second amendment as it applies to citizens that are NOT in a well regulated militia.

Linguists almost universally agree that according to the English Language, the way that single sentence is written, it means "Because we don't have a standing army, the citizens need to be ready to grab arms to defend the homeland." (see the dissent portion of the linked SCOTUS decision, Heller.) Heller's majority came up with a different interpretation. Now that interpretation can be changed.

Law abiding citizens accept that the first and second amendments have limitations.
You can't shout "fire!" in a crowded theater.
You can't own a surface to air missile.
No matter how useful that missile would be in defending against an attack against the homeland. The only question is.. "Where is the line of what you can and can't own without special privelege?"

People don't like it, but that's how it is It seems like more determinations will go back to the States and not be federally universal. California restrictions haven't been totally overturned, so we just have to wait for the courts to grind it out.

I have posted references to original sources.
 

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I think lots of people have the lost the ability to respect each other and what taking a life really means. Society/ advertising pushes me,me,me all the time. When was the last time you heard about we the people from the general public or politicians.
 

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You don’t think the shooter will just go someplace else ?

The second amendment was abused by the gun industry with the promotion of the black rifle. It fetishized the gun. We are paying the price. My opinion.
Fetishized the gun? You are really off the rails with that one. Black rifles are popular because they’re efficient, not because the evil gun barons popularized them. There’s absolutely no valid reason that a law abiding citizen shouldn’t be able to possess one if he so desires, for hunting, target shooting, home defense or any other legal purpose.
 

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The bad thing about always playing defense is giving up a point once in awhile. Never on offense. Relentless pressure. Like it or not they are winning only because of this. It’s a numbers game at this point. They will take every small step they can get.
It took The Dutch state a 100 years to get us where we are now. First started off around 1918 when the first legislation to disarm the population was introduced because the state was afraid of a bolshewist revolution after the octobre 1917 revolution in Russia. Now we have complete registration of fire arms, mandatory membership of shooting clubs, documented minimum of 18 visits to the club per year, references for sanity, 1 year trial period, electronic personality test to acquire a license, hunting diploma's, random house visits by police to check the contents of your safe, yearly refreshment of your license costing $75 and paperwork,........ Probably forgetting some. Hope no gun-contrrol advocates read this post. ;)
 

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So what is the problem with this? I doesn't appeal to the left or the right. The left wants to take away guns and won't be satisfied with protecting poeple any other way. The right wants to flog the mental illness shtick to take the focus off gun. So the real solution doesn't appeal to either side. The both have other fish to fry while the kids are dying.
Agreed, so very well put forth.
 

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Connecticut Vermont California Illinois New Mexico come to mind in recent news for all sorts of restrictions, bans, registration, etc. Law abiding gun owners are constantly under attack. Always on defense. Always spearheaded by Democrats. For the first time in my life I own a gun that will be illegal unless I modify it or apply for a license to keep it. I don’t think they will stop until we reach the point of confiscation.
IF they could confiscate ALL the guns.....it's no matter. Criminals WILL ALWAYS have guns! This will never change. Confiscating arms, as you ALL know, only disarms law abiding citizens & leaves them vulnerable - which is exactly what these people want! History dictates that to take control of a country merely do 2 or 3 things. Those are to remove:
1. Their freedom of speech,
2. Their guns &
3.Their religious freedoms.
🤔 Hmm. Look where we are.
 

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Humans have always been ingenious about ways to kill each other. Here in Virginia we are getting all kinds of gun control laws being put forth after the shooting of a teacher by a 6 yr old. At the same time, two grandparents were beaten to death by their grandson with a hammer and this only made the news for a short period of time. We have PEOPLE problem in this country, not a gun control problem. More people were beaten to death in this country last year than were killed by so-called assault rifles by a large margin. Mental Health needs to be addressed on a much larger scale. Rant over...
 

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I’ve been hearing that “they are coming for our guns“ and that “they want to control us” since I was a teenager and that was 70 years ago. Just last week I received a mailing from the NRA that claimed “left wing extremists are coming to take your guns and throw you in prison!” followed, of course, by an appeal for money. What hogwash. Nobody wants your guns simply to deprive you of having them, and nobody wants to control you. What some people do want is to try find ways to prevent our children and others from being slaughtered by senseless gun violence. Unfortunately, largely absent from that group are law abiding gun owners. Instead of participating in the effort to curb violence, too many of us have been brainwashed by the Republican Party and the gun industry into believing that we should resist any effort to end or reduce this national disgrace because to do so would lead to gun confiscation. It’s all nonsense. What law abiding gun owner has ever been denied the right to own firearms? What law abiding gun owner has ever been denied the right to purchase a firearm? But the bigger question is what are we, as law abiding gun owners, willing to do to help keep our children safe in their classrooms short of turning schools into fortresses? Would you be willing to have your gun sale to an individual done at an FFL dealer with a background check? Probably not, because you’ve been convinced by the gun industry and lobby that that would constitute a violation of your Second Amendment right, and that you must defend that right at all cost or you’ll be enslaved by your government. Someone posted on here that if assault style rifles were banned a person could walk into a classroom with two bolt action rifles and kill eight instead of 30 children, as though the saving of 20 children was no big deal. What?? Just because no single action would end gun deaths, should we not try to save any lives? A lot of you have made the point is that there are a lot of factors other than easy access to guns that are causing gun violence. That’s true. But the main cause, whether you will accept it or not, is easy access to guns. A mentally deranged person can’t shoot up a classroom if they can’t get a gun. If gun owners continue to refuse to take a seat at the negotiating table, making the issue “Second Amendment or No Second Amendment,” not too far into the future there won’t be a Second Amendment. The gun industry’s main objective is to sell guns. If they could sell you a fully automatic machine gun or a bazooka, they would do it. The NRA’s main objective is to promote the gun industry and to scare the hell out of you so that you’ll send them money! There are lots of things that could be done to reduce gun violence - some dealing with guns and some with security and mental health - but the final chapter of this saga will probably be written by folks who don’t know which end of the gun the bullet comes out. Because those who do know will refuse to participate in its writing, and in the process destroy the very thing they say they would die to preserve.
 

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What law abiding gun owner has ever been denied the right to own firearms? What law abiding gun owner has ever been denied the right to purchase a firearm?
People that got red flagged for being in the military, having unpopular political opinions, people with children that teachers, neighbors, or an ex, flag. How about age? Sen that one too. How about the excuses of natural disasters to take away a person's rights? Plenty of cases to look up. And thinking like yours only enables and emboldens those gun grabbers.
 

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People that got red flagged for being in the military, having unpopular political opinions, people with children that teachers, neighbors, or an ex, flag. How about age? Sen that one too. How about the excuses of natural disasters to take away a person's rights? Plenty of cases to look up. And thinking like yours only enables and emboldens those gun grabbers.
You make my point. Thanks you.
 

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The only reason that we still have the second amendment is the ones you seem to be castigating have stood strong against any infraction of it. You seem to think we can reach some farcical common ground with those who will not stop till the entire nation has the same anti gun laws as Nyc or California. There is no common ground in regards to freedom, either you value it or you don’t. What are you willing to give up? And what would your sacrifice of personal freedom do to alleviate a psychopath from killing people?
I’ve been hearing that “they are coming for our guns“ and that “they want to control us” since I was a teenager and that was 70 years ago. Just last week I received a mailing from the NRA that claimed “left wing extremists are coming to take your guns and throw you in prison!” followed, of course, by an appeal for money. What hogwash. Nobody wants your guns simply to deprive you of having them, and nobody wants to control you. What some people do want is to try find ways to prevent our children and others from being slaughtered by senseless gun violence. Unfortunately, largely absent from that group are law abiding gun owners. Instead of participating in the effort to curb violence, too many of us have been brainwashed by the Republican Party and the gun industry into believing that we should resist any effort to end or reduce this national disgrace because to do so would lead to gun confiscation. It’s all nonsense. What law abiding gun owner has ever been denied the right to own firearms? What law abiding gun owner has ever been denied the right to purchase a firearm? But the bigger question is what are we, as law abiding gun owners, willing to do to help keep our children safe in their classrooms short of turning schools into fortresses? Would you be willing to have your gun sale to an individual done at an FFL dealer with a background check? Probably not, because you’ve been convinced by the gun industry and lobby that that would constitute a violation of your Second Amendment right, and that you must defend that right at all cost or you’ll be enslaved by your government. Someone posted on here that if assault style rifles were banned a person could walk into a classroom with two bolt action rifles and kill eight instead of 30 children, as though the saving of 20 children was no big deal. What?? Just because no single action would end gun deaths, should we not try to save any lives? A lot of you have made the point is that there are a lot of factors other than easy access to guns that are causing gun violence. That’s true. But the main cause, whether you will accept it or not, is easy access to guns. A mentally deranged person can’t shoot up a classroom if they can’t get a gun. If gun owners continue to refuse to take a seat at the negotiating table, making the issue “Second Amendment or No Second Amendment,” not too far into the future there won’t be a Second Amendment. The gun industry’s main objective is to sell guns. If they could sell you a fully automatic machine gun or a bazooka, they would do it. The NRA’s main objective is to promote the gun industry and to scare the hell out of you so that you’ll send them money! There are lots of things that could be done to reduce gun violence - some dealing with guns and some with security and mental health - but the final chapter of this saga will probably be written by folks who don’t know which end of the gun the bullet comes out. Because those who do know will refuse to participate in its writing, and in the process destroy the very thing they say they would die to preserve.
 

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I'm as pro gun as it gets. But as a Libertarian, here's my take on the NRA. IMHO, the NRA is nothing more than a shill organization for the GOP. I've spoken with them in regard to their support for RINO Republcans when on the very same ballot there is a hard core pro gun Libertarian, wherein they openly refuse to even recognize, let alone support the Libertarian. I discontinued my membership over this long ago.
 

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I’ve been hearing that “they are coming for our guns“ and that “they want to control us” since I was a teenager and that was 70 years ago. Just last week I received a mailing from the NRA that claimed “left wing extremists are coming to take your guns and throw you in prison!” followed, of course, by an appeal for money. What hogwash. Nobody wants your guns simply to deprive you of having them, and nobody wants to control you. What some people do want is to try find ways to prevent our children and others from being slaughtered by senseless gun violence. Unfortunately, largely absent from that group are law abiding gun owners. Instead of participating in the effort to curb violence, too many of us have been brainwashed by the Republican Party and the gun industry into believing that we should resist any effort to end or reduce this national disgrace because to do so would lead to gun confiscation. It’s all nonsense. What law abiding gun owner has ever been denied the right to own firearms? What law abiding gun owner has ever been denied the right to purchase a firearm? But the bigger question is what are we, as law abiding gun owners, willing to do to help keep our children safe in their classrooms short of turning schools into fortresses? Would you be willing to have your gun sale to an individual done at an FFL dealer with a background check? Probably not, because you’ve been convinced by the gun industry and lobby that that would constitute a violation of your Second Amendment right, and that you must defend that right at all cost or you’ll be enslaved by your government. Someone posted on here that if assault style rifles were banned a person could walk into a classroom with two bolt action rifles and kill eight instead of 30 children, as though the saving of 20 children was no big deal. What?? Just because no single action would end gun deaths, should we not try to save any lives? A lot of you have made the point is that there are a lot of factors other than easy access to guns that are causing gun violence. That’s true. But the main cause, whether you will accept it or not, is easy access to guns. A mentally deranged person can’t shoot up a classroom if they can’t get a gun. If gun owners continue to refuse to take a seat at the negotiating table, making the issue “Second Amendment or No Second Amendment,” not too far into the future there won’t be a Second Amendment. The gun industry’s main objective is to sell guns. If they could sell you a fully automatic machine gun or a bazooka, they would do it. The NRA’s main objective is to promote the gun industry and to scare the hell out of you so that you’ll send them money! There are lots of things that could be done to reduce gun violence - some dealing with guns and some with security and mental health - but the final chapter of this saga will probably be written by folks who don’t know which end of the gun the bullet comes out. Because those who do know will refuse to participate in its writing, and in the process destroy the very thing they say they would die to preserve.
Don't try to sell that story around here. You obviously know nothing of the history of gun control in Chicago and the gun bans in the city. Wow
 

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Suicides are the majority of gun deaths, and looking at CA, the recent mass murders are 1) ex husband and 2) co workers. Both aligned with mental health. To look at where the other source of gun deaths come from, add in 2 very distinct socioeconomic / racial groups and you account for the majority of the gun deaths in the US. All are very complex social problems and uncomfortable to talk about. We have way too many people who have no hope and see no future.

But it is time for honest talk.
 
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